Three Banes vs Sidious's apprentices

Originally posted by carthage
Bane was still annoyed by the sting of their force pikes, Dooku's lightning feat is immeasurably more powerful than their force pikes.

Lol, no. The force pikes were stated to be able to kill anything smaller than a bantha in one hit and Bane was hit by 5 of them at once. Dooku's lightning is more powerful than a few of them, but not 5 of them at once.

Dooku isn't exceeding a million volts bro.

Originally posted by carthage
Dooku has fought as indescribably fast (unamped), kept up with a younger and faster Anakin, and has casually fought Anakin and Kenobi (who couldn't see his movements) simultaneously.

And RoT Bane was so fast that he appeared to wield a dozen lightsabers to Zannah. Bane is way faster than Dooku. He's on Yoda and Sidious' levels.

Originally posted by carthage
He's much faster than Bane,

Originally posted by carthage
and Bane's strength won't be enough to close the gap. Dooku withstood Anakin's offense which was described as a meteor strike, and Anakin was unamped whereas Bane has had amps in most every significant feat.

Lol at that obviously hyperbolic 'meteor strike' thing. And Bane's described as a mountain, I guess he's >>> Anakin.

Anakins strikes were taking a lot out of Dooku to block. He withstood Anakins offense like Zannah withstood Banes. They were both losing.

Originally posted by carthage
None of Bane's TK feats beat Vader at his apex. Try again. Vader can soak up Bane's lightning with a saber, and even if he's struck he's successfully rebuffed a guy's lightning which disintegrates Stormtroopers. He isn't going to die by Bane's lightning, be injured yes, but Vader has fought while dismembered Bane's lightning won't be the end of him.

Vader and Dooku are too skilled, too fast, and too powerful for him alone

Disintegrating a dozen technobeasts at once is equal to or superior to anything Vader has done and Vader isn't blocking Banes lightning with his lightsaber. He has no feats to support that. Marek has never disintegrated stormtroopers.

Even if it won't end him, do you seriously think Vader can stand up to Bane after being hit by it? He will be much to effed up to put up a fight.

I have POD Bane slightly above ROTS Yoda/Sidious (EU feats) if you compare them feat to feat.

Any proof to back up that claim... both kill on contact, and Bane was hit with more than one pike at the same time. I'm not really seeing much of a discrepancy here. And as somebody already said, he could just block it with his lightsaber.

I do think a blast of electricity would be more effective if simply because unlike the pikes which only affect the area they strike, lightning can slip into tiny cracks and fissures.

That being said, I disagree with the notion that Dooku's lightning will be enough to kill Bane. However, I also disagree with the notion that it will have no effect on him.

As a last note, he can't block it with his saber while simultaneously fighting off another opponent.

ROT Bane has been described as being akin to wielding a dozen blades at once,

We've seen Dooku appear to be wielding 8 blades at once, and he's factually faster than Obi-Wan, who can produce a shield from his lightsaber blade and move invisibly fast.

Vader has appeared to wield 5 blades at once, has moved invisibly fast, has produced a shield from his lightsaber blade, and has moved faster than thought.

Maul has produced webbing tapestries of light behind his lightsaber blade, ran faster than security droids can pick up, and is five times faster than the average human.

The speed discrepancy between Bane and his opponents it not large, especially if he's fighting more than one of them at a time.

and has a strike speed of around thirty strikes a second, which is above Grievous's.

Only according to your ridiculous fanon calculations that you only apply when discussing Bane.

Bane's lightning has also disintegrated people, and I hardly call what happened at the end of TFU II to be "successfully rebutting."

Ehm, Vader at the end of TFU 2 had already had his hand cut off, thus incapable of holding his saber to block lightning with, and the lightning that Galen shot off at him was the concentrated energy of actual lightning bolts from a storm focused through several huge metal rods with Starkiller in the epicenter, blasting the crap out of Vader with it.

And after all of that, Vader was still not dying or unconsious or anything.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
I have POD Bane slightly above ROTS Yoda/Sidious (EU feats) if you compare them feat to feat.

Yeah, we know.

I can't remember anything suggesting as much though.

Lol, no. The force pikes were stated to be able to kill anything smaller than a bantha in one hit and Bane was hit by 5 of them at once. Dooku's lightning is more powerful than a few of them, but not 5 of them at once.

Which is ultimately untestable as Bane was A:

A. Amped and able to take the pain
B. Significantly protected by his armor.

Dooku's lightning killed on impact, whereas, those pikes just irritated him. If the power of those pikes were as potent, why didn't Bane get downed? He didn't.

Lol at that obviously hyperbolic 'meteor strike' thing. And Bane's described as a mountain, I guess he's >>> Anakin.

[Anakins strikes were taking a lot out of Dooku to block. He withstood Anakins offense like Zannah withstood Banes. They were both losing.

That was an unamped Anakin whose blows were described as such. He's proven to be approach Bane's strength at being half his age, being unamped, and being infinitely more skilled. Bane's blows would be a minor irritation, but by virtue of keeping up with a younger, similarly strong, and far more skilled fighter he'll have no problems countering Bane. He also countered Savage, Bane is not going to overwhelm him

He disintegrated those beats on a nexus by the way.

Carthage... are you discussing Dooku vs ROT or DOE Bane? Because I was under the impression that we were discussing ROT Bane vs Dooku, in which case I was using the wrong set of arguments if we were actually discussing DOE.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, we know.

I can't remember anything suggesting as much though.

1. Temple feat
2. Sirak blitz feat
3. Storm Ritual feat

All lead me to believe that he's marginally faster and possesses slightly more powerful TK, and that he has far superior Tutaminis, and mastery of Force Lightning.

His other feats, such as dominating Qordis with utter ease, making a mockery of Kaan's Force Persuasion, creating gigantic storms of lightning a mere hour after learning the technique, or dominating Kas'im in the early part of their duel, are all pretty high end feats as well.

I feel he's in a different league to these three, just like Yoda/Sidious are.

He also seems to have continued improving past a lot of the feats I mentioned. The Sirak speed feat for example, was before he had yet to go through at least a couple of major power developments during the book.

Originally posted by carthage
Which is ultimately untestable as Bane was A:

A. Amped and able to take the pain
B. Significantly protected by his armor.

Dooku's lightning killed on impact, whereas, those pikes just irritated him. If the power of those pikes were as potent, why didn't Bane get downed? He didn't.

A. We're still talking about RoT Bane. He still has the orbalisk amp and he can still take the pain.

B. Which he still has here.

The force pikes could kill on impact too and there were 5 of them hitting Bane at once. He survived because the orbalisks absorbed most of the million volts the pikes hit him with.

Originally posted by carthage
That was an unamped Anakin whose blows were described as such. He's proven to be approach Bane's strength at being half his age, being unamped, and being infinitely more skilled. Bane's blows would be a minor irritation, but by virtue of keeping up with a younger, similarly strong, and far more skilled fighter he'll have no problems countering Bane. He also countered Savage, Bane is not going to overwhelm him

He disintegrated those beats on a nexus by the way.

If Anakins strength only approaches Banes and his blows were aging Dooku a decade with every one he blocked, then how will Banes blows be a mere irritation? Lol, did you actually think before typing? The fact that he was unamped is unimportant as is his skill level.

Dooku didn't counter Savage, Savage blew him across the room and disarmed him with one strike.

Also Anakin isn't infinitely more skilled than Bane.

It doesn't matter if he did it on a nexus.

Bantha got your tail padawan?

A. We're still talking about RoT Bane. He still has the orbalisk amp and he can still take the pain.

B. Which he still has here.

The force pikes could kill on impact too and there were 5 of them hitting Bane at once. He survived because the orbalisks absorbed most of the million volts the pikes hit him with.

Which make the feat hardly impressive with regards to the potency of the pikes lol. There is no way to prove they could kill on impact, he was protected as per usual whereas, the strength of Dooku's lightning is not in question. Next please.

If Anakins strength only approaches Banes and his blows were aging Dooku a decade with every one he blocked, then how will Banes blows be a mere irritation? Lol, did you actually think before typing? The fact that he was unamped is unimportant as is his skill level.

Dooku didn't counter Savage, Savage blew him across the room and disarmed him with one strike.

Also Anakin isn't infinitely more skilled than Bane.

It doesn't matter if he did it on a nexus.

They're a mere irritation because Bane hasn't demonstrated superior strength to Anakin ROTS, nor have his strength feats ever determined the course of a pivotal duel. Now you're just being nonsensical, of course it matters if its a nexus as Bane's feats are almost always on nexuses. He breaks a pillar but at best can only ruffle a few tents and crates in POD, lol ok Bane's tk is 00ber powerful. Obviously, you missed the parts where he was actively engaging Savage in lightsaber combat. He took his blows and was disarmed once, implying that in a pure lightsaber combat he can withstand his strength. Savage and Bane aren't that far apart in terms of strength either, or need I hold your hand to make that observation

Originally posted by carthage
Which make the feat hardly impressive with regards to the potency of the pikes lol. There is no way to prove they could kill on impact, he was protected as per usual whereas, the strength of Dooku's lightning is not in question. Next please.

I told you right at the start that the pikes could kill on contact. Maybe read my posts and the text in question closer next time:

"The idea that anything smaller than a bantha could withstand a direct hit from a force pike set to maximum charge-let alone five pikes at the same time-was inconceivable."

Just one of the pike were described as 'deadly'. They can kill easily. And Bane shrugged off 5 of them, which hit him with over a million volts.

Originally posted by carthage
They're a mere irritation because Bane hasn't demonstrated superior strength to Anakin ROTS, nor have his strength feats ever determined the course of a pivotal duel. Now you're just being nonsensical, of course it matters if its a nexus as Bane's feats are almost always on nexuses. He breaks a pillar but at best can only ruffle a few tents and crates in POD, lol ok Bane's tk is 00ber powerful. Obviously, you missed the parts where he was actively engaging Savage in lightsaber combat. He took his blows and was disarmed once, implying that in a pure lightsaber combat he can withstand his strength. Savage and Bane aren't that far apart in terms of strength either, or need I hold your hand to make that observation

What the hell?

If Bane is equal to Anakin's strength, then Dooku will not be treating his strength as a mere irritation. Seriously, did you even read the quote you're referring to? Dooku was being overwhelmed by Anakins strength:

"The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-Skywalker was getting stronger.

Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.

He decided he'd best revise his strategy once again.

He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious."

It doesn't matter for numerous reasons I've expounded upon before. Theres no indication he was drawing upon the "nexus".

Obviously you missed the part where Dooku 'engaged' Savage in a lightsaber duel by ducking under his attacks. The two times Dooku tried to block Savage he was thrown across the room:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Bantha got your tail padawan?

Me?

I don't really have much to say. Even if he is marginally superior to any of them in a number of aspects, thats not putting him on Yoda or Sidious levels or letting him solo these 3.

Originally posted by carthage
He did so while amped due to the orbalisk armor, nothing in DOE suggests he could replicate the same feat. Try again. Dooku's speed feats are more abundant, and he has fought two fighters with speed that is at least equivalent if not outright superior to baldy.

Dooku wasn't exactly exceeding Grievous's far less impressive ten strikes per second in their duel.

Originally posted by carthage
I never said he couldn't deflect Dooku's lightning lol. But seeing how Bane is retarded and blinded by rage when storming about in his cute armor, he wasn't even smart enough to deflect half a dozen saber strikes by Raskta. His awareness is shit.

Bane wasn't defending that part of his body because he didn't need to, not because he was unaware or stupid. What would've been stupid would've been to actually attempt to deflect those harmless blows.

Originally posted by carthage
Which make the feat hardly impressive with regards to the potency of the pikes lol. There is no way to prove they could kill on impact, he was protected as per usual whereas, the strength of Dooku's lightning is not in question. Next please.

Originally posted by carthage They're a mere irritation because Bane hasn't demonstrated superior strength to Anakin ROTS, nor have his strength feats ever determined the course of a pivotal duel. Now you're just being nonsensical, of course it matters if its a nexus as Bane's feats are almost always on nexuses. He breaks a pillar but at best can only ruffle a few tents and crates in POD, lol ok Bane's tk is 00ber powerful. Obviously, you missed the parts where he was actively engaging Savage in lightsaber combat. He took his blows and was disarmed once, implying that in a pure lightsaber combat he can withstand his strength. Savage and Bane aren't that far apart in terms of strength either, or need I hold your hand to make that observation

Obviously you need to rewatch that fight. Dooku only actually meets one of Savage's blows, and it disarms him. By your own admittance, Bane and Savage are close in physical strength, and you're telling me Bane's strength won't be an important factor here?

But seeing how Bane is retarded

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bane is one of the most intelligent Star Wars characters in the mythos...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Me?

I don't really have much to say. Even if he is marginally superior to any of them in a number of aspects, thats not putting him on Yoda or Sidious levels or letting him solo these 3.

Now you're just being disingenuous. Those are all pretty core/important aspects and they establish him to be at the very least on Yoda or Sidious's level

Nah.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Implicitly his skills in deception and manipulation are second only to Sidious's 👆

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Now you're just being disingenuous. Those are all pretty core/important aspects and they establish him to be at the very least on Yoda or Sidious's level

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