Originally posted by juggermanSo a guy who goes in undetected on the Klingon homeworld and surprises them has no idea about the Wolf predator whom the Predalien avoids until the end of the movie
Khan would never see Wolf coming. Wolf cloaks and snipes him as per the Predator "go-to" approach regarding armed targets. Khan may have a shot in round 2, I honestly dunno either way, but he loses 10/10 in round 1
Does that honestly seem likely to you ?
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoThe Predalien nor the aliens are armed. Taking on that squadron of Klingons armed to the teeth along with war ships is vastly more impressive.
That's just the thing Quan. Wolf was brilliant too, and was taking down a much deadlier enemy. He was problem solving and improvising weapons making do with what he had, and he can go invisible... And can lock on... and Heat Vision has a distinct advantage in Area 51 from KoftCS.
Yes, he can problem solve as can Khan. Khan stands out amidst a technologically superior universe. His cells regenerate, he has actual hand to hand skill, superhuman strength, absolutely ruthless, and better feats.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So a guy who goes in undetected on the Klingon homeworld and surprises them has no idea about the Wolf predator whom the Predalien avoids until the end of the movieDoes that honestly seem likely to you ?
The Predalien had "flunkies" to distract Wolf while it made several get aways. Khan has no such luxury. Plus the Klingons didn't have the tracking tech Wolf has
Originally posted by juggermanThe Klingons had "numbers" to divert Khan's attention. Khan has one opponent who doesn't have the showings to support him taking out someone with Khan's skill. Khan takes out foes with long ranged combat and with numbers. Does the Predator have showings to prove he's up to the challenge ?
The Predalien had "flunkies" to distract Wolf while it made several get aways. Khan has no such luxury. Plus the Klingons didn't have the tracking tech Wolf has
The aliens didn't have tracking tech but it didn't seem to bother them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Klingons had "numbers" to divert Khan's attention. Khan has one opponent who doesn't have the showings to support him taking out someone with Khan's skill. Khan takes out foes with long ranged combat and with numbers. Does the Predator have showings to prove he's up to the challenge ?The aliens didn't have tracking tech but it didn't seem to bother them.
No one tried to divert Khan's attention. Khan wouldn't see Wolf and would get snipped
It's been established the Xeno's can see/smell/sense past the cloaking. Khan can't.
Originally posted by juggermanHaving multiple men come at you at once is diverting his attention by sheer numerical advantage. Otherwise they'd all take him on one on one.
No one tried to divert Khan's attention. Khan wouldn't see Wolf and would get snippedIt's been established the Xeno's can see/smell/sense past the cloaking. Khan can't.
The Xenos don't have his experience in combat, intellect, weaponry, or cellular regenerative properties.
Xenos are at a huge disadvantage due to having to get in close proximity. Khan is better than a man in every way. If Dutch can assess the Predator's weaknesses imagine what Khan can do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Having multiple men come at you at once is diverting his attention by sheer numerical advantage. Otherwise they'd all take him on one on one.The Xenos don't have his experience in combat, intellect, weaponry, or cellular regenerative properties.
Xenos are at a huge disadvantage due to having to get in close proximity. Khan is better than a man in every way. If Dutch can assess the Predator's weaknesses imagine what Khan can do.
Yet he wasn't after a single target like Wolf was. Had the Klingons been protecting someone while confronting Khan while said guy ran away Khan wouldn't have been able to get to him.
No they have superior strength, numbers, acidic blood they use as a weapon, a tail that is used as a sword/spear, and the ability to detect the Predators that Khan doesn't have. And they were still picked off as Khan would be.
Dutch had the advantage of not being the Pred's first and sole target meaning he had the time to see it in action quite a bit before learning it's tactics. But here Khan won't have time to figure anything out.
Originally posted by juggermanI disagree. No one got away from Khan. He eradicated the Klingons and subdued the Enterprise crew.
Yet he wasn't after a single target like Wolf was. Had the Klingons been protecting someone while confronting Khan while said guy ran away Khan wouldn't have been able to get to him.No they have superior strength, numbers, acidic blood they use as a weapon, a tail that is used as a sword/spear, and the ability to detect the Predators that Khan doesn't have. And they were still picked off as Khan would be.
Dutch had the advantage of not being the Pred's first and sole target meaning he had the time to see it in action quite a bit before learning it's tactics. But here Khan won't have time to figure anything out.
They still don't have skill, weaponry, or a mind like Khan's. Khan can shoot Wolf from a distance whereas the Aliens strengths don't come into play from a distance nor do they behave at all like Khan.
The point is Dutch did so and rather quickly. He took down a Predator. The advantage the Predators have is they are an unknown to most of their opponents but have exploitable weaknesses. It doesn't really matter as Khan has superior showings against opponents who wield lasers and implore long ranged combat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. No one got away from Khan. He eradicated the Klingons and subdued the Enterprise crew.They still don't have skill, weaponry, or a mind like Khan's. Khan can shoot Wolf from a distance whereas the Aliens strengths don't come into play from a distance nor do they behave at all like Khan.
The point is Dutch did so and rather quickly. He took down a Predator. The advantage the Predators have is they are an unknown to most of their opponents but have exploitable weaknesses. It doesn't really matter as Khan has superior showings against opponents who wield lasers and implore long ranged combat.
No one tried to get away while protected by others.
They do have skill. Wolf can shoot Khan before Khan even sees him or knows that he's close.
Yet Khan won't have the luxury of watching and learning about Wolf. He'll be looking and get snipped by a cloaked opponent from a distance. Khan has no defense against this
You say Khan is physically superior. Yet Predators have punched through concrete, travel through the canopy at high speeds and easily outmatch conditioned human Males in fights and fight on par with Aliens in hand to hand. Ask, could Khan match that?
Edit: Khan can subdue a conditioned human male too. But the other stuff.
Originally posted by juggermanSo there is no proof anyone could have gotten away. Khan annihilated his opponents and with relative ease.
No one tried to get away while protected by others.They do have skill. Wolf can shoot Khan before Khan even sees him or knows that he's close.
Yet Khan won't have the luxury of watching and learning about Wolf. He'll be looking and get snipped by a cloaked opponent from a distance. Khan has no defense against this
They don't have anything close to resembling his hand to hand skill. They throw sloppy punches and get hit all the time. Prove it.
Wolf didn't do so to the Predalien that is for sure.
Khan won't be out in the open and against the Klingons he got off the first shot. Predator isn't used to someone of his skill, intelligence, and tech. Khan has taken on bigger forces simultaneously converging on him and decimated them.m the same can't be said for Wolf. We see him generally against savage aliens with no long range weaponry or human like intelligence.