Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Oh, they care, withered one. Feel free to exercise yourself if need be. Oh, and Neph too. This will be enjoyable to witness.
My name is Ultimate Perfection now. Remember it, worm.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I replied to Legend's comment on this on SWTOR.So, to quote myself:
Yet the barrier she threw up would have counted for nothing, Nyriss is described as putting all her energy into her final attack and this would have left her with nothing left to defend herself with - making her barriers easy to penetrate.
Now while this was not stated in the novel, it is the only logical conclusion to reach. If she had had her full barriers up, she would not have been incinerated, she would not have even been harmed. Because ultimately it would have been the equivalent of being attacked by a being of equal power. And an offense equal in power to a defense = stalemate.
This is reinforced by a similar incident in which Sidious had his Force Lightning, which he put all his energy into, redirected by Galen Marek, yet he emerged unscathed, if we ascribe to your logic he would have died like Marek.
Oh, and hi. 😛
Hello. It's nice to meet you.
I don't recall it being described as her putting ALL her energy into her final attack. Her build up is described here:
"The air around her began to crackle and grow hot as she gathered herself for the killing blow. Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he would be powerless to stop it. Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong."
So I'm not seeing where it's described she put everything into it. Was she perhaps a bit drained from the effort? Perhaps. But Vitiate wasn't after he used the same basic technique as her. Was her shield weaker than normal due to possibly that and maybe due to haste? Perhaps. But it was still there and still a factor.
I think it more likely that her force defenses against Force lightning (of which a standard barrier is unideal) were simply something she was less talented in than she was in Lightning. That plus haste plus the fact that the lightning was charged up while her barrier wasn't is why she was disintegrated even after attempting a defense.
Originally posted by Sinious
[B]@ FreshestSliceYou really need to stop trying so hard it misunderstand what I say. 😘
One Ive never denied. Just said its not %100 like that.
Im not gonna argue about Nihilus consuming = Jedi eating if thats what you're going for. Thats just too obvious to debate.
When did I ever say it would be easy?
When did I ever say Nihilus wasn't supreme? seriously...
It's not about me disagreeing with you, just me stating why I think he's the most powerful Force user shown in the TOR era and me saying why he is definitely at the top. More of me trying to end the conversation. I didn't know we were honestly still debating here, and that we were more talking about why we're all awful people.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The only characters more powerful than Sidious are the Mortis Anchorites, Abeloth, and possibly Luke Skywalker. That's it.
And you wonder why LeGenD doesn't take you seriously.
Hello. It's nice to meet you.Nice to me you too. 😛I don't recall it being described as her putting ALL her energy into her final attack. Her build up is described here:
"The air around her began to crackle and grow hot as she gathered herself for the killing blow. Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he would be powerless to stop it. Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong."
So I'm not seeing where it's described she put everything into it. Was she perhaps a bit drained from the effort? Perhaps. But Vitiate wasn't after he used the same basic technique as her. Was her shield weaker than normal due to possibly that and maybe due to haste? Perhaps. But it was still there and still a factor.
I think it more likely that her force defenses against Force lightning (of which a standard barrier is unideal) were simply something she was less talented in than she was in Lightning. That plus haste plus the fact that the lightning was charged up while her barrier wasn't is why she was disintegrated even after attempting a defense. [/B]
True, your correct, its not directly stated - but I'd hazard a guess and say that that was her most powerful attack, so it would have required quite a bit of energy.
But that is also possible, combine that with the fact the barely had time to throw one up and what I suggested and it accounts for her death.
But I don't think its proof she can incinerate anyone of that calibre with shields up.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=750649And you wonder why LeGenD doesn't take you seriously.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceNot debating anything. I just saying why I said what I said. This point wasn't addressed to any of yours.
Cool 😄
Didn't say you did, just another showing of power. Vitiate blocking Nihilus drain a lot of effort is still a good feat for him.
Since its possibly the most destructive sith feat yeah. (Rivaled only by Sidious' wormholes)
It's not about me disagreeing with you, just me stating why I think he's the most powerful Force user shown in the TOR era and me saying why he is definitely at the top. More of me trying to end the conversation.
Understood. Well Im still between Vitiate and Nihilus.
I didn't know we were honestly still debating here, and that we were more talking about why we're all awful people.
It was never a debate 😕 and yeah sorry for interrupting the self humiliation ritual. 🙂
I suggest you buy The Old Republic: Revan. You will most likely find one at a local book store. And also sorry it took so long for me to reply, I was busy.
Padawan
Incredible endurance feats on the most powerful dark side nexus to ever exist, killed an academy of 198 (IIRC) Sith assassins.
Canonically, Revan fought "dozens" upon "dozens" of Dark Jedi in which in total took a complete "hour". Descriptions such as "countless" Dark Jedi is used to describe this.
Meanwhile, must I mention while the Star Forge layout is rather open and thin, the Trayus Academy has numerous rooms?
She can easily heal herself for a little bit after she eliminates the opponents in this room. It wouldn't be that hard. 😬
Better tactician than Revan thanks to her battle meditation
Only the above gif can describe this sentence, I'm speechless.
Revan is canonically responsible for the pushing back of Mandalore's forces until Malachor V. Must I mention who got the honor of being the "Supreme Commander?" He did.
Canderous Ordo, Master Dorak, The New Essential Chronology, The Essential Guide to the Force, The Old Republic Timeline, and virtually every other book/character agrees with me.
I would like to see just *one* source which says she is his superior, because at least 10 quotes from *different* sources completely suggests otherwise. 😂
Also, provide me with a quote/source that she even used Battle Meditation back then? To my knowledge she learned it in KotOR2 (and even then it's optional).
"It was not your ships or your men or your vaunted 'fight for freedom' that won this, the final battle of the war. It was by the actions of one person–the Jedi Revan–that you prevailed. Revan's strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity, the tenacity, and the subtlety of Revan's plans."
―Canderous Ordo (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)
was given more of the fleet than him and Malak put together.
One of the few people Revan feared during his ascension to the Sith.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nice to me you too. 😛True, your correct, its not directly stated - but I'd hazard a guess and say that that was her most powerful attack, so it would have required quite a bit of energy.
But that is also possible, combine that with the fact the barely had time to throw one up and what I suggested and it accounts for her death.
But I don't think its proof she can incinerate anyone of that calibre with shields up.
I think that's a fair guess. But as I said, Vitiate later mirrors her actions and showed no sign of slowing down. He certainly managed to pull up a hasty barrier right after using it, plus disintegrate metal.
Sure. But I still find it to be one of the most powerful iterations of Force Lightning seen. Even likely weakened a Force Barrier is still a defense and smashing through one and still packing enough raw power to incinerate someone instantly is really damn impressive.
Not anyone of her own caliber maybe, but I do think it's an indication that she'd overpower and incinerate many Force adepts below herself. Of which Meetra and Scourge undoubtedly are. It's only logical that her charged up power would exceed those already lower than herself by a vast enough margin for that.
Now tell me how shitty my list a few pages back was.