Originally posted by cdtm
From the PM vs Supergirl thread:Nice consistency.
You don't get to argue Supergirl is ignorant of Proxima's powers in one thread, and imply Hulk has foreknowledge enough to react to Proxima simply raising her hand.
Monica being hit isn't PIS? And, she'd be hit again?
But Hulk will somehow avoid the spear, where Monica failed?
1 The Hulk was there to place the ones that he deemed killed his happiness on trial. He never once went all out on the ones that he captured which was what he told Cain when they fought. We see a glimpse of what he was capable of at the end of the arc (WW Hulk arc). He did not go all out on them, but this sentiment does not extend to this group, and thus under forum rules he can operate at his highest. As proof it was stated later that he held back the entire time, which was also proven.
2. In character we see this same persona of the Hulk stomp the ground pushing back the demons in the Dark Dimension. he is easily capable of doing so, and it is not for me to prove that he would do it, but that he could do it, which he can.
3. You don't know what the spear is capable of, and what turned him back into Banner during the WW Hulk add on stories was not the same as the spear being able to turn him back into Banner. In other words you don't know the capabilities of the weapon.
4. The Power and speed that he showed when intercepting the Sentry could be used to kick up debris to stop the spears flight. He reacted to this type of speed on panel, and should be able to in this debate as well. So yes it did happen.
Originally posted by cdtm
From the PM vs Supergirl thread:Nice consistency.
You don't get to argue Supergirl is ignorant of Proxima's powers in one thread, and imply Hulk has foreknowledge enough to react to Proxima simply raising her hand.
Monica being hit isn't PIS? And, she'd be hit again?
But Hulk will somehow avoid the spear, where Monica failed?
Monica tried to outrun the spear, this is not something that the Hulk would attempt to do. Your entire argument is about the spear hitting him. What if it does not hit him? Then it would be his turn correct? Yes it would be, and he had the power to one shot KO, or kill any one of the characters on the Black Watch.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So many excuses.😂
First of all. I don't make excuses. My first opinion of the Supergirl vs Proxima battle was that Supergirl could win, if she took the fight to her and was relentless about it. If not she would die.
Second of all it is you that must prove that this group of near featless characters are going to beat the Hulk that has decades of feats behind him. WW Hulk does not change the way his powers work. The only thing added to WW Hulk that all of the others did not have was his ability to amplify his powers consciously. He also had the Merged Hulk's personality. This is a very dangerous Hulk because of his mind. What does the Black Order have? Nothing that's what. No feats to even speak of that anyone can claim would overcome this version of the Hulk.
Originally posted by Stoic
^ A thunderclap that would end up putting them all down.
Scans of him meeting a new group of unknowns (remember, he was there to exact revenge on the illuminati first and foremost, and only engaged others if they were in his way) and opening with a thunderclap that'll put them all down.
Stoic you brought up a very valid point. During WWH hulk wasn't taking any prisoners, meaning he was sandbagging the whole time up until his fight with Sentry, that makes this version of hulk even scarier.
Having said that you also brought up the concept of Hulk using dubri to negate Proximas spear. One counter to that is I'm pretty sure Proximas spears can penetrate through common earthly material such as; brick, rock, metal, or anything Hulk can get his hands on, for it is a cosmic weapon afterall. We can't count caps shield because its the Caps! shield, made out of the most powerful metals in the marvel universe with insane durability feats.
Here is one thing stoic, I will let you have the argument that hulk can deflect Proximas shield, now lets think about this. Black dwarf and Super Giant are non factors but they can slightly distract Hulk while the second important factor comes into play. Corvus Glaive. I am more than confident that Corvus's scythe can affect Hulk because it fricken placed Hyperion! in a state of suspension and there was nothing Hype could do, he was frozen. So my theory is while Super Giant, Black dwarf.... and wow I didn't even mention ebony maw destracting Hulk via mental compulsion. But anyways while those three distract hulk Corvus Glaive can momentarily put Hulk in a state of suspension. Now here is the masterplan, with all of that in play hulk will momentarilly be frozen, before he will inevitably break free, Proxima will have an easy opening to throw her spear and impale Hulks chest, head, or any where she desires. Again I know that individually hulk can power through all of these guys but working together will give them a small enough window to close the distance. And besides these guys are Thanos's hand picked elites for a reason. I am sure they will strategize knowing how powerful this Hulk is.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Stoic you brought up a very valid point. During WWH hulk wasn't taking any prisoners, meaning he was sandbagging the whole time up until his fight with Sentry, that makes this version of hulk even scarier.Having said that you also brought up the concept of Hulk using dubri to negate Proximas spear. One counter to that is I'm pretty sure Proximas spears can penetrate through common earthly material such as; brick, rock, metal, or anything Hulk can get his hands on, for it is a cosmic weapon afterall. We can't count caps shield because its the Caps! shield, made out of the most powerful metals in the marvel universe with insane durability feats.
Here is one thing stoic, I will let you have the argument that hulk can deflect Proximas shield, now lets think about this. Black dwarf and Super Giant are non factors but they can slightly distract Hulk while the second important factor comes into play. Corvus Glaive. I am more than confident that Corvus's scythe can affect Hulk because it fricken placed Hyperion! in a state of suspension and there was nothing Hype could do, he was frozen. So my theory is while Super Giant, Black dwarf.... and wow I didn't even mention ebony maw destracting Hulk via mental compulsion. But anyways while those three distract hulk Corvus Glaive can momentarily put Hulk in a state of suspension. Now here is the masterplan, with all of that in play hulk will momentarilly be frozen, before he will inevitably break free, Proxima will have an easy opening to throw her spear and impale Hulks chest, head, or any where she desires. Again I know that individually hulk can power through all of these guys but working together will give them a small enough window to close the distance. And besides these guys are Thanos's hand picked elites for a reason. I am sure they will strategize knowing how powerful this Hulk is.
This version of the Hulk had the intelligence of the 90's Merged hulk, and do you know what he did to the U-Foes? His mind is quite an amazing thing. WW Hulk calmly one shot KO'd Ares. Do you think that he couldn't assess threat levels, and which of the group was the greatest threat? He would start out with general knowledge of them, and would not be completely left flat footed by what her spear could do. Proxima would be taken out first.. The rest would soon follow. you have to also take into consideration, the amount of debris that this guy is capable of kicking up. One footfall was able to nearly sink the Eastern Seaboard. He was struggling to hold himself back, and that's what holding back was for this guy. Just a glimpse of what he was capable of. A few issues later in the conclusion or in an attachment story to WW Hulk, he was barely pissed, and tanked a hit from a conceptual/abstract being named Hope to his internal organs. If you have trouble with this just go and check out how powerful this creature was. Hope would have likely killed the entire Black Order with one hit.
Forget about getting in his head as well. he was in 100% ignorant mode due to his wife dying, and other portions of happiness that was once again robbed from him. The Jarella experience compounded this. He was basically feeling like Ridick felt.
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Are you mad that you got solo'ed in that thread by DarkGod.
Why would I be upset by your opinion? He has yet to prove anything. Pay close attention to my first post on the subject. By the way do you know the rules around here about baiting? Quit while you're ahead.
