Originally posted by DARTH POWER
For the plot. Maul could give Dooku the fight off his life, but he still won't beat Kenobi.
Oh you mean like how Darth Vader did give Dooku the fight of his life (and killed him) then lost to Kenobi?
In all seriousness though Kenobi is downplayed a lot, mostly because the Count absolutely tools him whenever they meet.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well and Maul has ragdolled him on 3 separate occasions. Plus there's Ventress knocking him out in under 10 seconds that one time.
I don't really consider the business in the 2v1 a ragdolling, but yes Kenobi has the most duels in the mythos its no surprise he has a ton of low end showings. He also killed Grievous, bifurcated Maul, mutilated Vader, matched his TK, ect.
Also although its n-canon, Infinities makes it pretty clear that if Kenobi crossed swords with Ventress he'd win by a decent margin.
Kenobi is very comparable as a duelist to Maul, maybe less skilled but in a pure lighsaber fight it'd be interesting to see who won. All out Kenobi has terrible force defenses and that's a crippling blow Maul, Opress, Dooku, and Ventress have all exploited in dealing with him.
Maul takes this with difficulty
Here's my angle. Obi-wan is superior as a duelist but Maul is superior with the force. Given that Maul doesn't use the force that frequently in a fight and that none of what he has shown against Kenobi with the force is too lethal, given Kenobi's physical toughness he could probably endure it and outduel Maul. That's why I give Kenobi a slight edge in an all-out fight.
Originally posted by NephthysWhat does that mean? They're fictional characters, Neph. If one guy is the better fighter he's going to win. I don't really understand what you're saying when you say Maul is a better duelist and a better fighter but he'd still lose.
Maul is his superior with the Force and is his equal with a blade. He should have the edge, but he doesn't for some reason.
It means that I don't think Mauls superior force power will be enough to put Kenobi down and that he's no better in lightsabers. Maul looks better on paper, but Kenobi embarrassed him and his brother after they killed Galia. Perhaps it just comes down to Kenobi's simply possessing the specific capabilities to match Mauls Juyo with his Soresu.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
I think a lot of people look better than Obi-Wan on paper, but it's for the reasons outlined earlier. Obi-Wan is pretty much the workhorse of the Order, he's fought more than almost anyone else, and as a result has a string of low-showings.
But then his high-showings are also better than most. So his skill relative to other fighters can be hard to gauge.
Yeah but Kenobi's prowess does seem very plot related tbh. In TCW Kenobi never really had any great showings, but then Maul comes back as a bit of a powerhouse, and Kenobi is suddenly his equal/superior.
Same again Skywalker. On paper he shouldn't have stood a chance against the guy who defeated Dooku. But again when it came down to it he wound up being Skywalker's equal/superior.
Again unusual but convenient for the plot.
Spoiler confirmed Dooku's lightning affects Maul.
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