Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering that is the Wolverine that Mystique fought, yes. The feats KT is trying to use are over 15 years old and pre-brain injury...X1 makes it very clear that the injury and 15 years of wandering around aimlessly had a major effect on his skills.KT is purposely ignoring facts.
I need to re watch it, it really says had a major loss in skills? If so, then yea I can see why get got his ass kicked.
X1 Wolverine has several combat scenes and he shows no real skills in any of them, thus X1 Wolverine isn't very skilled.
KT is trying to argue that the prequels prove that X1 Wolverine is skilled and thus Mystique making him look like a brawler is proof that she is uber-skilled. what he is not taking into account is that Mystique isn't the only one to make Wolverine look unskilled in X1, plus the feats he is trying to use are over 15 years old(movie time) and pre-brain injury.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering that is the Wolverine that Mystique fought, yes. The feats KT is trying to use are over 15 years old and pre-brain injury...X1 makes it very clear that the injury and 15 years of wandering around aimlessly had a major effect on his skills.KT is purposely ignoring facts.
Provide proof that it was a separate universe and I'll concede, Don't provide proof AGAIN, and I'll accept your concession.
This is a bold face lie... AT NO POINT did they mention his years of wandering effected his skills AT ALL. Not only was this not mentioned it wasn't even hinted at. Provide the scene that says what you are claiming or concede again this never happened.
Originally posted by Silent Master
X1 Wolverine has several combat scenes and he shows no real skills in any of them, thus X1 Wolverine isn't very skilled.KT is trying to argue that the prequels prove that X1 Wolverine is skilled and thus Mystique making him look like a brawler is proof that she is uber-skilled. what he is not taking into account is that Mystique isn't the only one to make Wolverine look unskilled in X1, plus the feats he is trying to use are over 15 years old(movie time) and pre-brain injury.
So I'll assume you NOW have the proof that he forget all his skills after the gun shot... You are making all these claims and haven't proven one single thing.
These are the facts
Wolverine has beaten BETTER people than Bucky or Cap
Mystique got the better of somebody who has beaten better people than Cap or Bucky
Bucky looked OKAY against Cap the first time.. and lost the second (Hardly what I would call impressive)
Mystique looking better against Wolverine is more impressive than Bucky beating BW, who mystique would rout with ease.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I never said they specifically mentioned it, I said that his obvious lack of skills in X1 shows that the 15 years he spent wandering around like a hobo after his brain injury had a detrimental effect on his fighting skills.
There's NOTHING obvious about it... Mystique is very skilled, thus she can make anybody look unskilled. I've already given you numerous real life examples of this very thing happening in Boxing and MMA. Wolverine looking unskilled against a very skilled opponent doesn't mean he lost all his skills. Not even close to proving that point.
YOU NEED TO PROVE YOUR ARGUMENT.. YOU have proven nothing yet... So.. I'll lay them out again
1. I want proof that other movies with Wolverine were from a separate universe and don't apply to x1.. That is THE ONLY way you can say those fights don't count.. OR
2. If you have proof that he lost all his skills before x1 than by all means post that proof.
3. It doesn't matter if he looked unskilled against 5 people (which he didn't) they could all be very skilled and thus made him look unskilled. Absence of proof isn't proof. We know he's skilled.. we know he's beaten people that are skilled... Looking unskilled against a skilled opponent doesn't mean all of sudden he's not skilled. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PROVING YOUR ARGUMENT
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
KT, if you strictly go off feats, do you really believe Raven has better feats then Bucky?
No he doesn't... Let's take a look eh...
He did decent in his first fight with Cap, but not a clear victory. He then decisively losses in the rematch to Cap. Hardly what I'd call amazing.
He beats BW, which isn't impressive nor proof of him beating Mystique, as mystique would crush her 2.
Now of that is overly impressive. Mystique got the better of somebody vastly more formidable than anybody bucky has faced let alone beaten. Wolverine also has better wins than Bucky or anybody he's faced. Doing better against him is more impressive than beating BW or going 0-1-1 against Cap.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No he doesn't... Let's take a look eh...He did decent in his first fight with Cap, but not a clear victory. He then decisively losses in the rematch to Cap. Hardly what I'd call amazing.
He beats BW, which isn't impressive nor proof of him beating Mystique, as mystique would crush her 2.
Now of that is overly impressive. Mystique got the better of somebody vastly more formidable than anybody bucky has faced let alone beaten. Wolverine also has better wins than Bucky or anybody he's faced. Doing better against him is more impressive than beating BW or going 0-1-1 against Cap.
I think we need a more indepth look at this 😄
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm still waiting for people to prove that Origins and x1 aren't in continuity and are from separate universes. If you can't, then he had just as much skill and probably more by the time of x1
Origins has been written out of canon.
That's the end of that bullshit.
Bucky beats the crap out of her.