Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The nuke Godzilla tanked was the Castle Bravo detonation, confirmed in the tie in comic, 15 megaton. Godzilla takes this.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Theres also Hiroshima and Nagasaki which were attempts to kill Godzilla. Hiroshima was 15 megatons.Nagasaki was 22.
I do agree that Godzilla stomps here though. Thor is the only one with the necessary firepower imo to actually hurt Godzilla, but the rest are easy sushi.
Originally posted by EpicurusThe only point in the movie that supports that idea is a no name soldier comparing the megaton level nuke to the ones dropped on Japan in WW2, not the Castle Bravo detonation. He says "it makes [them] look like a fire cracker"
Nah, in the movie canon it was a kiloton device. You could call it literary liberties at making historical f*ck-ups on the writers part, but canon is canon.Wrong on all 3 counts. The first being the Godzilla/Hiroshima/Nagasaki connections, the second being the output of the Hiroshima bomb, and the 3rd being about the output of the Nagasaki bomb.
I do agree that Godzilla stomps here though. Thor is the only one with the necessary firepower imo to actually hurt Godzilla, but the rest are easy sushi.
The movie also shows us footage specifically of the Castle Bravo detonation, with a crossed out godzilla drawn on the bomb, and the comic tie in even calls the event by name.
Godzilla just kind of stands in it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The only point in the movie that supports that idea is a no name soldier comparing the megaton level nuke to the ones dropped on Japan in WW2, not the Castle Bravo detonation. He says "it makes [them] look like a fire cracker"The movie also shows us footage specifically of the Castle Bravo detonation, with a crossed out godzilla drawn on the bomb, and the comic tie in even calls the event by name.
Godzilla just kind of stands in it.
Spoiler:.
"Megatons, not kilotons. Makes the bomb we used to try and kill it with in '54 look like a firecracker."
Well, it wasn't specified in the movie itself that it was the Castle Bravo explosion. Even if it was, I think that the script writers took literary freedom to retcon the yield of the explosion from MT to KT.
Is the comic canon to the movie though? Based on forum rules at least?
Edit- On a side note, I stumbled upon an interesting theory on how Godzilla's natural evolution to adapt to his sheer size along with his radiotrophic nature heavily contributes to his virtual invulnerability to conventional weaponry:
http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/32195
What do you think?
Originally posted by EpicurusI'll have to wait until the movie gets released on disc to be able to confirm that but I distinctly remember him comparing this bomb to the ones dropped on Japan. Meh. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Nah, that wasn't some no-name soldier. The black dude was actually a pretty high-ranking commander(probably a Navy Admiral or something), and he specifically said ,Spoiler:.
"Megatons, not kilotons. Makes the bomb we used to try and kill it with in '54 look like a firecracker."Well, it wasn't specified in the movie itself that it was the Castle Bravo explosion. Even if it was, I think that the script writers took literary freedom to retcon the yield of the explosion from MT to KT.
Is the comic canon to the movie though? Based on forum rules at least?
Edit- On a side note, I stumbled upon an interesting theory on how Godzilla's natural evolution to adapt to his sheer size along with his radiotrophic nature heavily contributes to his virtual invulnerability to conventional weaponry:
http://www.godzilla-movies.com/community/forums/topic/32195
What do you think?
Besides: Fallible character is fallible. estahuh
I'll check that link out soon.
Originally posted by EpicurusWhy are those wrong? From my understanding of the intro and their explanations, Godzilla was nuked a few times. The last time was 1954. Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened in 1945. I assumed those were the first few times. Otherwise, why did Serizawa bring up Hiroshima right before they attempted to nuke Godzilla again? He even pleaded with them after bringing that up to call that off. That seems like he was using Hiroshima to reason with them.
Nah, in the movie canon it was a kiloton device. You could call it literary liberties at making historical f*ck-ups on the writers part, but canon is canon.Wrong on all 3 counts. The first being the Godzilla/Hiroshima/Nagasaki connections, the second being the output of the Hiroshima bomb, and the 3rd being about the output of the Nagasaki bomb.
I do agree that Godzilla stomps here though. Thor is the only one with the necessary firepower imo to actually hurt Godzilla, but the rest are easy sushi.
I also looked up the yeild of both bombs before posting. Are you sure that's wrong?
http://www.warbirdforum.com/hiroshim.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The only point in the movie that supports that idea is a no name soldier comparing the megaton level nuke to the ones dropped on Japan in WW2, not the Castle Bravo detonation. He says "it makes [them] look like a fire cracker"
@ Arachnid1.
I think he brought up his father/grandfather dying in Hiroshima as a reason for his aversion to nuclear force.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Why are those wrong? From my understanding of the intro and their explanations, Godzilla was nuked a few times. The last time was 1954. Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened in 1945. I assumed those were the first few times. Otherwise, why did Serizawa bring up Hiroshima right before they attempted to nuke Godzilla again? He even pleaded with them after bringing that up to call that off. That seems like he was using Hiroshima to reason with them.I also looked up the yeild of both bombs before posting. Are you sure that's wrong?
http://www.warbirdforum.com/hiroshim.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield
Hiroshima and Nagasaki yields were in kilotons. Is it so hard for you to wiki Fat Man and Little Man? The 2 bombs which destroyed those 2 Japanese cities. Especially when you provide those meaningless links, the first of which outright contradicts your megaton claim?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'll have to wait until the movie gets released on disc to be able to confirm that but I distinctly remember him comparing this bomb to the ones dropped on Japan. Meh. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.Besides: Fallible character is fallible. estahuh
I'll check that link out soon.
Spoiler:
Dr Serizawa approaches the senior Admiral and begs him not to go ahead with the nuking plan. The Admiral dismisses his concerns, and asks him to verify whether this method will work. Serizawa attempts to dissuade him from carrying out the plan by pointing out that they tried that before, which is where the black Admiral jumps in and points out that they are talking about a "dial-a-yield" bomb which operates in megatons, not kilotons which would make the bomb they tried to kill it with in 54 seem like a firecracker.
Originally posted by EpicurusOh, don't be such a tool about it. Both those 'meaningless links' are fat/little man. Both links also name them. I asked you to correct my memory on the movie, which I wasn't sure about, and made a mistake on the prefix (which i probably should have payed more attention to). Way to completely blow that out of proportion.
Nope, Godzilla was discovered after the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings, when the first deep sea submarine ventured into the depths of the Pacific Ocean. He was nuked during 1954.Hiroshima and Nagasaki yields were in kilotons. Is it so hard for you to wiki Fat Man and Little Man? The 2 bombs which destroyed those 2 Japanese cities. Especially when you provide those meaningless links, the first of which outright contradicts your megaton claim?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Oh, don't be such a tool about it. Both those 'meaningless links' are fat/little man. Both links also name them. I asked you to correct my memory on the movie, which I wasn't sure about, and made a mistake on the prefix (which i probably should have payed more attention to). Way to completely blow that out of proportion.
Fat Man(which destroyed Nagasaki): 21 KT.
Little Boy(which destroyed Hiroshima): 16 KT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy
When you wikipediaed the term "Nuclear Yield", why did it feel too hard to search hiroshiman nagasaki atomic bombings on it as well?
This would probably end up in a stalemate, with either side having an equal chance for a victory.
The Avengers don't look like they have the firepower to take down Godzilla. On the other hand, this Godzilla's fat ass is slow as hell and I don't think it's fast enough to catch the more mobile Avengers.
Actually, only Thor and IM would be relevant here. The humans are useless and as strong as Hulk is, his melee attacks won't do much as considering Godzilla was tanking hits from those giant bats.
So either IM comes up with a plan or Thor keeps zapping Godzilla with his strongest lightning and see if that can take it out or at least make it run away from the fight. In the end, it will be a fight of endurance. Can Godzilla tank Thor's and IM's firepower long enough for him to eventually tag them with a lucky strike? Or can Thor and IM continue assaulting Godzilla while dodging out of the way long enough till Godzilla gets worn down.
Originally posted by FrothByte
This would probably end up in a stalemate, with either side having an equal chance for a victory.The Avengers don't look like they have the firepower to take down Godzilla. On the other hand, this Godzilla's fat ass is slow as hell and I don't think it's fast enough to catch the more mobile Avengers.
Actually, only Thor and IM would be relevant here. The humans are useless and as strong as Hulk is, his melee attacks won't do much as considering Godzilla was tanking hits from those giant bats.
So either IM comes up with a plan or Thor keeps zapping Godzilla with his strongest lightning and see if that can take it out or at least make it run away from the fight. In the end, it will be a fight of endurance. Can Godzilla tank Thor's and IM's firepower long enough for him to eventually tag them with a lucky strike? Or can Thor and IM continue assaulting Godzilla while dodging out of the way long enough till Godzilla gets worn down.
IM lacks the firepower to put a dent on Goji.
Originally posted by Epicurus
He was fast enough to intercept the male MUTO with his tail as the latter was flying towards him in another sucker-shot.IM lacks the firepower to put a dent on Goji.
And those Muto's were every bit as slow as he was. And yes, IM lacks the firepower to dent Godzilla, though it would be interesting to see what he can do if he gets inside like he did the leviathan. Best bet the Avengers have is get Thor to keep spamming lightning while Tony thinks of a solution. It still seems more plausible than thinking that Godzilla can actually hit either IM or Thor.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And those Muto's were every bit as slow as he was. And yes, IM lacks the firepower to dent Godzilla, though it would be interesting to see what he can do if he gets inside like he did the leviathan. Best bet the Avengers have is get Thor to keep spamming lightning while Tony thinks of a solution. It still seems more plausible than thinking that Godzilla can actually hit either IM or Thor.
So you mean to tell me that IM can just wade inside Goji's radioactive insides without even the slightest bit of repercussions? What feats are you basing this on?
I guess he could come up with a way to bfr the beast. Given Goji's size, strength, hf and overall raw power, I see the chances of the Avengers beating him in a direct fight as nill.
