Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to cowardice but he stayed and fought. We see what happened. He disarmed him and failed to best him. This further proves disarming Sidious doesn't necessarily beat him unless you're Windu.Yoda says he failed. He did. Sidious won. You pretending Yoda came there to leave with his tail in between his legs with the emperor alive is contradictory to the film.
Gaining the higher ground is quite important to Jedi and Sith.
Ummm No... Yoda falling further DOESN'T MEAN SIDIOUS WON. We've gone over this before... yoda GOAL was to kill sidious.. he didn't accomplish said goal... doesn't mean he lost. Do you know the difference between a goal and winning or losing a fight? They aren't mutually inclusive. For example....
Whitaker could claim he plans on KOing chavez and being the first to do so. That is his goal. Yet, he is unable to do so but still wins a clear unanimous decision as he looked superior none the less. See how that works... he didn't do what he said he goal was.. but he still looked superior. how about another sport.... The Ravens could say hteir goal is to give Ray Rice at least 25 touches and run the ball 65% of the time.... They don't do either... and yet still win. They stated their goal and their game plan... they didn't do either but still won. Failing at a task you set out for.. doesn't mean you don't look superior. Same thing with yoda and sidious. Yoda looked superior and is slightly superior.
Difference between Windu and Yoda was the terrain.. if Yoda had disarmed Sids the same way Mace did on LEVEL GROUND... Yoda would've easily killed him. Just like Windu could've. Try coming up with a decent argument quan. Please. This whole... ohhh he fell further thus he lost isn't one
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYoda never bested Dooku? He was basically showing him who's the alpha male. Dooku had to use Obi-Wan and Anakin as a get out of jail free card.
Problem is Yoda never bested Dooku or Sidious and Sidious never bested Windu.However Sidious did take on a 3 masters at the same time including Wimdu, no one else had done that.
The 3 masters were pretty much useless TBH. If you don't know anything about EU and just take them for what they did in movies they were featless wonders and pretty much cannon fodder. Did they serve their point to prove Sidious was a big bad boss? Sure. Is it anywhere as impressive as watching Yoda put Dooku in his place after this Dooku owned our titular heroes? Nope. Not in my book anyway.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yoda never bested Dooku? He was basically showing him who's the alpha male. Dooku had to use Obi-Wan and Anakin as a get out of jail free card.The 3 masters were pretty much useless TBH. If you don't know anything about EU and just take them for what they did in movies they were featless wonders.
Fair enough
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBeing disarmed and fleeing the scene means he lost. Yoda hid and made his evacuation of said place.
Ummm No... Yoda falling further DOESN'T MEAN SIDIOUS WON. We've gone over this before... yoda GOAL was to kill sidious.. he didn't accomplish said goal... doesn't mean he lost. Do you know the difference between a goal and winning or losing a fight? They aren't mutually inclusive. For example....Whitaker could claim he plans on KOing chavez and being the first to do so. That is his goal. Yet, he is unable to do so but still wins a clear unanimous decision as he looked superior none the less. See how that works... he didn't do what he said he goal was.. but he still looked superior. how about another sport.... The Ravens could say hteir goal is to give Ray Rice at least 25 touches and run the ball 65% of the time.... They don't do either... and yet still win. They stated their goal and their game plan... they didn't do either but still won. Failing at a task you set out for.. doesn't mean you don't look superior. Same thing with yoda and sidious. Yoda looked superior and is slightly superior.
Difference between Windu and Yoda was the terrain.. if Yoda had disarmed Sids the same way Mace did on LEVEL GROUND... Yoda would've easily killed him. Just like Windu could've. Try coming up with a decent argument quan. Please. This whole... ohhh he fell further thus he lost isn't one
The boxer doesn't leave the ring with his tail in between his legs. Yoda failed and lost. Palpatine gained the higher ground and made Yoda pay for it. All on film.
Your points rest on speculation mine are built on facts. Thats the difference between you and I on this topic. Palpatine wins, again.
Facts win debates not coulda, wouldas, shouldas.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I rather feed on your tears.
Those aren't tears you be eagerly lapping up, bro.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
But if you insist; they were equal. Yoda bested him in lightsaber combat, and was overpowering Sidious's lightning. Situational awareness went to Palpatine though and this makes him a winner all right. Yoda ran because backup was on the way.Nothing else to talk about really. If you put them in a desert/blank arena and just have them fight you might as well flip a coin on the winner.
Maybe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Being disarmed and fleeing the scene means he lost. Yoda hid and made his evacuation of said place.The boxer doesn't leave the ring with his tail in between his legs. Yoda failed and lost. Palpatine gained the higher ground and made Yoda pay for it. All on film.
Your points rest on speculation mine are built on facts. Thats the difference between you and I on this topic. Palpatine wins, again.
Facts win debates not coulda, wouldas, shouldas.
Of course they do.. happens all the time... Joe Louis tried to leave the ring before the verdict was read when he fought Walcott.. Louis was still awarded the victory. Rampage tried to leave the ring and said he lost against Ninja... He was awarded the victory anyways. This happens all the time. They don't fight as well as they would like or didn't do what they set out to do or follow the game plan but still looked superior enough. You still didn't answer my question...
When Whitaker STATES HIS GOAL IS TO KO CHAVEZ and be the first to do so. That is his stated goal... Can he still looked superior without accomplishing his goal?
There is no would've should've or could've in my argument at all. Mace DID beat Sidious on LEVEL GROUND... Saying yoda would've done the same on Level ground isn't speculation... that's how it would go. You even said so yourself when you went on and on about Sidious even while being disarmed got the higher ground and was thus about to survive. You said this multiple times... proving exactly what Im' saying true.
It comes down to this... There are two aspects to a fight... Sabers and force powers... yoda won the saber dual.. check in yoda's column. So Sids NEEDS to win the force powers in order for it to even be a tie.. Well let's see.... Sids lands lighting before Yoda braces... sends him flying.. point for sids... Yoda counters and does a force push and sends Sids flying... Having felt Yoda's power.. Sids TRIES TO FLEE.. Point for Yoda. Then we see sids fire lighting at yoda at which point... Yoda engages him in a force battle.... Sids initially gains the upper hand.. but Yoda buckles down and starts to overpower Sids as seen in the movie... Sids looks to be finished (Lucas' own script says exactly that.. sids looks doomed) Thus Yoda gained the force advantage for the fight. Yoda won both columns of the fight thus he looked superior. Which column do you give Sids again?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiLeaving in the middle of the fight is different than leaving after the matchup and before the decision.
Of course they do.. happens all the time... Joe Louis tried to leave the ring before the verdict was read when he fought Walcott.. Louis was still awarded the victory. Rampage tried to leave the ring and said he lost against Ninja... He was awarded the victory anyways. This happens all the time. They don't fight as well as they would like or didn't do what they set out to do or follow the game plan but still looked superior enough. You still didn't answer my question...When Whitaker STATES HIS GOAL IS TO KO CHAVEZ and be the first to do so. That is his stated goal... Can he still looked superior without accomplishing his goal?
There is no would've should've or could've in my argument at all. Mace DID beat Sidious on LEVEL GROUND... Saying yoda would've done the same on Level ground isn't speculation... that's how it would go. You even said so yourself when you went on and on about Sidious even while being disarmed got the higher ground and was thus about to survive. You said this multiple times... proving exactly what Im' saying true.
It comes down to this... There are two aspects to a fight... Sabers and force powers... yoda won the saber dual.. check in yoda's column. So Sids NEEDS to win the force powers in order for it to even be a tie.. Well let's see.... Sids lands lighting before Yoda braces... sends him flying.. point for sids... Yoda counters and does a force push and sends Sids flying... Having felt Yoda's power.. Sids TRIES TO FLEE.. Point for Yoda. Then we see sids fire lighting at yoda at which point... Yoda engages him in a force battle.... Sids initially gains the upper hand.. but Yoda buckles down and starts to overpower Sids as seen in the movie... Sids looks to be finished (Lucas' own script says exactly that.. sids looks doomed) Thus Yoda gained the force advantage for the fight. Yoda won both columns of the fight thus he looked superior. Which column do you give Sids again?
Yoda failed. He admitted it and blatantly lost. Your question is stupid.
Since it didn't occur it is speculation. Windu doesn't use the same fighting style at all. Yoda fought Dooku on level ground and didn't beat him either. Facts. That just shows Palpatine knew what he needed to do to gain the upper hand even after losing his saber.
No, Yoda didn't win the force battle since he was in a worse position and disarmed by the lightning himself. Yoda failing is when he lost the fight but escaped with his life. Facts and Yoda's statements comply with my argument. Yours is jackass theories and horrible paragraphing.