They have a massive head-start. The problem will be diminishing returns, as in, how many of the main cast do you think will be back for Avengers 3? Or 4?
Marvel has the advantage for the moment. Ideally, I'm hoping we get to a point where both, like with comics, offer an alternative to the other to satisfy all likes.
In the overall war, I believe DC has an advantage. I believe that is because of the impact of Donner’s Superman movies and Tim Burton’s Batman.
What I mean by this is that I believe if a Superman movie or Batman movie were to come out and a Thor or Iron movie/Captain America movie was to come out, there will be more excitement for Superman and Batman than any marvel character on the Big screen.
Originally posted by Kotor3Ironman 3 completely destroyed that theory.
In the overall war, I believe DC has an advantage. I believe that is because of the impact of Donner’s Superman movies and Tim Burton’s Batman.What I mean by this is that I believe if a Superman movie or Batman movie were to come out and a Thor or Iron movie/Captain America movie was to come out, there will be more excitement for Superman and Batman than any marvel character on the Big screen.
This might have been relevant in the last but due to marvels success a whole new generation will grow up with Ironman, Thor, Cal, etc. As being mainstream.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ironman 3 completely destroyed that theory.This might have been relevant in the last but due to marvels success a whole new generation will grow up with Ironman, Thor, Cal, etc. As being mainstream.
How far back are you going with the generation? All of Nolan’s Batman movies were made within the last 10 years as well as MOS.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ironman 3 completely destroyed that theory.This might have been relevant in the last but due to marvels success a whole new generation will grow up with Ironman, Thor, Cal, etc. As being mainstream.
LOL, the first movies of those heroes were only a moderated success, just like batman begins, just like man of steel, the bump come from the Avengers success, is the only reason that trash like IM3 or Thor 2 grossed so much.
Originally posted by TH3_V01DThe second batman film outperformed the third one. Marvel built momentum and showed that a shared universe can be a huge success is over at Disney. Now the other studios are following suit. Dc should be thanking marvel for showing them how it's done. For Tony stark to outperform superman shows now different of a time we live in. Disney took risks and they paid off. Its kind of humorous how dc gives batman/Superman top billing while shoehorning other less established characters in the film again.
LOL, the first movies of those heroes were only a moderated success, just like batman begins, just like man of steel, the bump come from the Avengers success, is the only reason that trash like IM3 or Thor 2 grossed so much.
Originally posted by Kotor3I am saying this generation is being exposed to marvel like never before. Dc is more of the same here's batman and here's superman, again. The older Keaton movies don't apply since the arena has been changed by Disney's success with a shared cinematic universe.
How far back are you going with the generation? All of Nolan’s Batman movies were made within the last 10 years as well as MOS.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying this generation is being exposed to marvel like never before. Dc is more of the same here's batman and here's superman, again.
Understood. I see your point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The older Keaton movies don't apply since the arena has been changed by Disney's success with a shared cinematic universe.
Since generations are still overlapping it definitely applies. I am referring to impact. It is because of those movies that Superman and Batman receive the most attention from DC in the movies. There is not a character from marvel that stands out on its own to that degree when it comes to the movies.
So, I believe it is much easier for them to do the shared cinematic universe. Even with the disappointments with MOS concerning Superman’s character, if Bale’s Batman was in a movie with Cavill’s Superman I believe it would get more attention or just as much as the next Avengers movie.
That why I see an advantage for DC. From my standpoint Marvel does not have a singular stand out character for the movies which may hurt them in the long run.
Marvel may be technically making more money, but that is only due to their quantity of films, not quality. I haven't seen Cap 2 yet, but besides that, I would rank TDK and MOS above any MCU film. My personal favorite MCU film, the Incredible Hulk, is about as good as TDKR, and even the "worse" DCU film, Green Lantern, was more enjoyable than IM3.
Marvel's main advantage is their ability to turn B-listers like IM and Thor into household names. That gives them a wider range of characters to work with. DC is focusing more on it's small list of A-listers, which is really only Batman and Superman, since WW is technically B-list, to mainstream audiences at least. But as I said, the few Bats/Supes films that have come out definitely outclass any of the MCU's (I won't speak for Cap 2), and the upcoming Dawn of Justice is definitely going to be more anticipated than any future Avengers film.
Also, the only reason IM3 made so much is because it was the direct sequel to the Avengers and everyone wanted to see how it affected the MCU's continuity. Not because it was a quality film by any standard.
Originally posted by Kotor3Yes, there is since ironman outperformed them. Spider-Man and the Xmen also marvel properties stand out like them.
Understood. I see your point.Since generations are still overlapping it definitely applies. I am referring to impact. It is because of those movies that Superman and Batman receive the most attention from DC in the movies. There is not a character from marvel that stands out on its own to that degree when it comes to the movies.
So, I believe it is much easier for them to do the shared cinematic universe. Even with the disappointments with MOS concerning Superman’s character, if Bale’s Batman was in a movie with Cavill’s Superman I believe it would get more attention or just as much as the next Avengers movie.
That why I see an advantage for DC. From my standpoint Marvel does not have a singular stand out character for the movies which may hurt them in the long run.
That is speculation. I am discussing facts not what if scenarios and conjecture.
Marvel has stand out characters but it doesn't seem to matter for Disney since different studios all seem to be raking it in. Dc and its main guns all failed to make Ironman 3 and avengers money. Marvel is making b listers a listers for the next generation. They are taking risks while dc is just more of the same, Batman and Superman and those other guys.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, there is since ironman outperformed them. Spider-Man and the Xmen also marvel properties stand out like them.
What point are you trying to make that Iron Man, Spider-Man, and the X-Men out performed the Nolan Batman pictures and previous Superman movies because they made more money? If it is, is that even a true statement? We would have to look at inflation of the dollar.
If they did make more money how does this prove that Marvel has standout characters that are on the level of Superman and Batman when it comes to movies?
All you are mentioning are movies not characters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel has stand out characters but it doesn't seem to matter for Disney since different studios all seem to be raking it in.
No one say they didn’t. I said to the degree of Superman and Batman. If you are stating there are, then who? If you are saying Iron and Spider, then you are wrong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc and its main guns all failed to make Ironman 3 and avengers money. Marvel is making b listers a listers for the next generation. They are taking risks while dc is just more of the same, Batman and Superman and those other guys.
Once again money is what you are referring to. So yes Marvel is winning the current battle within the last 10 years. No one is denying that. But you using this the money that marvel currently made from movies in the last 10 years as statement for winning the overall war, is incorrect.
DC has two aces up the sleeves and that is Batman and Superman. I feel they can turn the tide if done right. All action blockbusters today make a significant amount of money. So I do not see how that proves anything, except that marvel has made more movies in the last ten years. Which I may add is the reason they are winning the current battle.
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