Ven Zallow vs. Savage Opress

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Orgus Din is horrible getting pwned by his own apprentice

Bzzzzz bzzzzzz

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those Sith fodder were some of the best Sith Warriors in the order. Blitzing them is a outstanding feat. As is casually pwning Adraas. Zallow was above any other Jedi on site, including Orgus Din and Kellian Jarro, two badasses. Zallow is legit.

Fighting GG for 10 seconds twice doesn't put her on par with Zallow. At best it puts her on par with Ahsoka.

Bro are you just going to ignore her doing well against Savage? Also Orgus Din is a joke.

Those Sith fodder were some of the best Sith Warriors in the order

Foddeerrrrrrrr

Zallow was above any other Jedi on site, including Orgus Din and Kellian Jarro, two badasses. Zallow is legit.

Orgus Din was such a loser.

Fighting GG for 10 seconds twice doesn't put her on par with Zallow. At best it puts her on par with Ahsoka.

One of those times was through like half of an episode, though most of it was off-screen.

And considering all Malgus has done by this point is defeat Kao-Cen and Satele, both of which are featless as swordsmen, Zallow stalemating him speaks less for his abilities than his accolades. Malgus's lightsaber abilities were as impressive as they are in the first place because he defeated Zallow.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Bro are you just going to ignore her doing well against Savage? Also Orgus Din is a joke.

She didn't do that well imo. Plus Savage is hardly a master swordsman. She should dance around him for a while.

Din is the most battlehardened and veteran Jedi in the order and casually collapsed a cave. He's not bad.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She didn't do that well imo. Plus Savage is hardly a master swordsman. She should dance around him for a while.

Are you trolling? Savage is a master swordsman.


Din is the most battlehardened and veteran Jedi in the order and casually collapsed a cave. He's not bad.

His feats include getting penetrated by Darth Angral twice, and losing to his own apprentice who was owned by HoT.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Are you trolling? Savage is a master swordsman.

Oh god, I just snorted lemonade all over my keyboard. That was mean.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
His feats include getting penetrated by Darth Angral twice, and losing to his own apprentice who was owned by HoT.

Dark Council caliber who even Vitiate referred to as useful Angral, sure. Morr is cool.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh god, I just snorted lemonade all over my keyboard. That was mean.

Yes, defeating master swordsmen...who have also defeated master swordsman makes him a master swordsman.


Dark Council caliber who even Vitiate referred to as useful Angral, sure. Morr is cool.

Dark Council level means nothing. Remember Xedrix and Vowrawn were also 'Dark Council Level'. The time he fought a powerful Sith said Sith wiped the floor with his ass. Baras casually disposed of him.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Dark Council level means nothing. Remember Xedrix and Vowrawn were also 'Dark Council Level'. The time he fought a powerful Sith said Sith wiped the floor with his ass. Baras casually disposed of him.

I'd say it means some, but one should perhaps specify 'dark council warrior'.

Just like a Jedi who got onto the Jedi council for their combat ability is going to be pretty impressive, diplomacy less-so.

Vowrawn is basically the Coleman Trebor of the Dark Council- he's good at what he does, and that's not fighting.

Originally posted by Q99
I'd say it means some, but one should perhaps specify 'dark council warrior'.

Just like a Jedi who got onto the Jedi council for their combat ability is going to be pretty impressive, diplomacy less-so.

Vowrawn is basically the Coleman Trebor of the Dark Council- he's good at what he does, and that's not fighting.


That is a very interesting parallel between the two. They appear to be mirror opposites of eachother in this regard.

Coleman Trebor is great at using diplomacy to maintain peace for selfless reasons, while Vowrawn uses diplomacy to form alliances and incite bloodshed to bring down his rivals.

Though I don't have too much respect for Vowrawn's combative abilities, he does appear to be quite clever.

Adi Gallia is a Council Member level warrior as well, though, so why is she grouped as less impressive than a guy who was painfully crushed by Angral?

Adi Gallia > Orgus Din

Originally posted by Q99
I'd say it means some, but one should perhaps specify 'dark council warrior'.

Just like a Jedi who got onto the Jedi council for their combat ability is going to be pretty impressive, diplomacy less-so.

Vowrawn is basically the Coleman Trebor of the Dark Council- he's good at what he does, and that's not fighting.

And Darth Angral is good at commanding troops and making weapons but got one-panelled by Darth Baras.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Foddeerrrrrrrr

Buuuulllshiiiiiit. Just because they're fodder to Zallow doesn't mean they're fodder.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Orgus Din was such a loser.

Less of a loser than Adi Gallia.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
One of those times was through like half of an episode, though most of it was off-screen.

And considering all Malgus has done by this point is defeat Kao-Cen and Satele, both of which are featless as swordsmen, Zallow stalemating him speaks less for his abilities than his accolades. Malgus's lightsaber abilities were as impressive as they are in the first place because he defeated Zallow.

Amazing. Off-screen feats, ooooh.

Malgus was also fodderising Jedi in that fight. And you're wrong about Satele since she blitzed a crowd of Sith in the video and beats a Dark Council member a few weeks later. Malgus defeaing Darach and being one of the greatest Warriors in the Empire 30 years previously also proves his ability.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yes, defeating master swordsmen...who have also defeated master swordsman makes him a master swordsman.

He doesn't defeat them through his mastery of the lightsaber. He has barely any lightsaber training. He's a huge, heavily armored monster with a big laser stick. He beats opponents down. He beat Gallia by minotaur charging her.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

Dark Council level means nothing. Remember Xedrix and Vowrawn were also 'Dark Council Level'. The time he fought a powerful Sith said Sith wiped the floor with his ass. Baras casually disposed of him.

Lolwut? You're the one throwing around Council status as an amazing accomplishment. Despite the fact that its far easier to get onto the Jedi Council than the Dark Council. The DC is confirmed made up of the best and most powerful Sith in the Order. A few anomalies prove nothing.

Xedrix declined in strength. That doesn't mean he didn't earn his way on the council through his power previously. Vowrawn is a chessmaster who's killed dozens of Sith.

And Darth Baras almost became the de facto Emperor. He's one of the top TOR Sith and had his Sel Makor amp at the time.

Ven Zallow came very close to stalemating a bloodlusted Malgus, who by feats should be a Count Dooku level opponent. This would scale Ven Zallow up to Darth Maul tier possibly even surpassing that. Savage is a tier between Ventress and maul. He isn’t beating zallow. Zallow wins mid dif.