Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luminara Unduli vs. Maul and Savage

Ok then... I reread Savage and Plo Koon's fight. Savage was capably holding his ground against Plo Koon who had the aid of numerous clone troopers, and when Koon turned away Savage had the speed and cunning to tear his mask off before he could react, and the fact that Koon's ally was in danger suggests Plo was not dominating Savage while they fought. At the very least this implies them to be around the same level.

Now let's look at Luminara. Luminara lost in a minute to Asajj Ventress when she had a disadvantage. Plo Koon on the other hand was driving Ventress back with a far greater disadvantage. Plo Koon is clearly Luminara's superior by a considerable margin, while Savage was holding his ground against Plo Koon with back up. This is more impressive than anything Luminara is capable of.

This is why I believe Savage to be Luminara's firm superior.

How many slides was the fight?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't quite see how he was desperate there.

Originally posted by King Joker
How is it not a clear act of desperation? Tearing off his mask clearly points to desperation. And IMO it points to simplmindedness (did I spell that right?)

You trying to argue that Savage taking advantage of an opening somehow makes him dumb and desperate? That doesn't really add up.

Originally posted by King Joker
How many slides was the fight?

During that time, Savage manages to stand his ground against Koon and his squad of clones, and even manages to land a kick on him at one point prior to the mask tearing.

Landing a kick isn't impressive.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Landing a kick isn't impressive.

He was distrActed

Originally posted by PTforthewin
He was distrActed

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think it lasted at least five pages, with Plo getting his mask torn off on the fifth, though I may have missed some of the beginning.

During that time, Savage manages to stand his ground against Koon and his squad of clones, and even manages to land a kick on him at one point prior to the mask tearing.

Originally posted by King Joker
That long?! How long were their sabers engaged and they were activley dueling?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He saw an opening and an opportunity to exploit it. Why would he not take advantage of it?

You trying to argue that Savage taking advantage of an opening somehow makes him dumb and desperate? That doesn't really add up.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Their blades were activated the entire time and they never appeared to stop swinging at eachother.

Originally posted by King Joker
It points that he can't beat him otherwise. If there were no clones present that wouldn't have happened. The whole point I'm trying to make is that saying Savage beat Plo or suggesting he is on par or the same tier entirely due to that fight is ridiculous, if you look at the environment and circumstances.

The environment and circumstances was that Plo had a group of Clones with him, and Savage managed to hold his ground and score a physical blow on Plo even before Plo diverted his attention to try and warn the clone.

No the idea that they are on the same par/tier is not ridiculous.

[QUOTE=14740564]Originally posted by Emperordmb
No it doesn't. If I'm in a fistfight with some guy of near equal skill to me, and he turns away, and I punch him in the face does that mean I couldn't beat him otherwise.

The environment and circumstances was that Plo had a group of Clones with him, and Savage managed to hold his ground and score a physical blow on Plo even before Plo diverted his attention to try and warn the clone.

No the idea that they are on the same par/tier is not ridiculous. [/]

Using this engagement between them dosent suggest they are on the same par/tier. And I'm pretty sure that their fight wasnt as long as you suggest. I concede to Savage taking advantage of Plo being distracted, and I think him turning away from a saber fight is quite... Stupid.

Originally posted by King Joker
Using this engagement between them dosent suggest they are on the same par/tier. And I'm pretty sure that their fight wasnt as long as you suggest. I concede to Savage taking advantage of Plo being distracted, and I think him turning away from a saber fight is quite... Stupid. [/B]

Scans? Because I'm pretty sure their fight isn't as long as you suggest. And landing a blow does not at all suggest they're on the same tier, that's ridiculous. And, so when you say Plo had backup I'm assuming Savage was dueling Plo while simultaneously fending off the clones...?

Originally posted by King Joker
Scans? Because I'm pretty sure their fight isn't as long as you suggest. And landing a blow does not at all suggest they're on the same tier, that's ridiculous. And, so when you say Plo had backup I'm assuming Savage was dueling Plo while simultaneously fending off the clones...?

Anyways, yes Plo had the clones. So Savage was fending off Koon and the Clones and managed to kick Plo in the face fair and square, so I'm not seeing anything indicating he is below Koon's tier.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
As much as I hate to send you here because of past experiences and pain, it is the only place I could find with the scans:
http://www.starwarsforums.org/t6490-plo-koon-vs-savage-opress-rematch
*shudders in disgust*

What? Nothing even happened to you, you just threw a fit because Intrepid took away your Moderator status. 😬 What a drama queen! XD

But yeah, Savage>Koon.