Darth Zannah vs Maul Brothers

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Problem is Kanan is not more powerful than the Inquisitor, who was identified by sources as being far more powerful than him and Ezra. That was also shown in their third encounter, in which he pinned Kanan to a wall Sidious style, and that happened not long before their final duel. Kanan would have had to grow vastly in power for that logic to apply, which is something only Anakin has done, and even he required months to become vastly more powerful than before.

Kanan has also pinned the Inquisitor to a wall Sidious style, so what's your point?

Originally posted by ares834
Kanan also pinned Inqy in their first encounter. Clearly it isn't just raw power that determines whether someone can do so.

With that said, Kanan did get a big boost in that very episode when he said he had nothing left to fear. Suddenly he went from consistently being outmatched to quickly defeating the Inquisitor.

Maul solos. With Savage, there are no words to describe how aweful stomp this is.

Originally posted by ILS
Prepare to be educated, sir.

"The Jedi Order recognizes seven forms of lightsaber combat. The Inquisitor has learned to use-and counter-all of them!"
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"10.6

The time it takes the Inquisitor to identify a Jedi's fighting style, in seconds."
-Absolutely Everything You Need To Know About Star Wars

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"His cold, analytical mind is his most powerful weapon. He analyzes Jedi fighting styles and capabilities, as well as the Jedi traditions they follow. He can even identify a Jedi's mentor. He then uses this information to prey upon their weaknesses."

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"Despite having never met Kanan, the Inquisitor immediately identifies Kanan's fighting style; his Master, Despa Billaba; and, most important, the weaknesses of his form. The Inquisitor exploits this weakness to great effect, and Kanan and Ezra barely escape."

--Ultimate Star Wars

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He can not only use every saber form, but he can counter every one of them. He can also identify not only the form a Jedi is using and the degree to which they favour it, but also the master who taught them it, in the space of ten seconds. He also innovated (or at least is a user of) spinning saberstaff combat. Kas'im can suck on a fat toe.

This isn't remotely on Kas'ims level lmao.

Honestly, it's significantly more impressive.

Uh, good joke?

Originally posted by ILS
Prepare to be educated, sir.

You know 'Swords, I actually know of, and acknowledge all of what's stated here, thing is--- it's not more impressive than Kas'im.

He can not only use every saber form, but he can counter every one of them.

And Kas'im has mastered all 7 Lightsaber forms, and further perfected every move and sequence of them over the years. Don't know about you, but Kas'im seems more impressive on this front. As far as countering goes, I'm pretty sure Kas'im perfection of thousands of sequences and moves across all forms would logically mean he can counter them too.

Especially when he was more technical proficient than Darth Bane(per Dessel's own musing), and the former was able to counter all of those sequences. Granted, it was because of his strength in the Force and insane precognitive skills - but he still had to use his technical skills to know of the counters for it. Hence, the reason he went down like a 15 dollar crack whore when Kas'im switch his lightsaber style. Not mention, he can pretty much change tactics and lightsbaer forms on a whim mid-duel.

He can also identify not only the form a Jedi is using and the degree to which they favor it, but also the master who taught them it, in the space of ten seconds.

Ngl, this is highly impressive prolly more impressive than anything Kas'm has on the analytical standpoint standpoint. But Kas'im seems to be far more proficient in actual practice.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, good joke?

It's not a joke. The kind of intimate understanding the Inquisitor must possess to not only deduce Kanan's form but the specific person who taught him that form out of 10,000 Jedi? That's insane. Especially when you consider that martial arts, at some point, become idiosyncratic to the user.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The kind of intimate understanding the Inquisitor must possess to not only deduce Kanan's form but the specific person who taught him that form out of 10,000 Jedi? That's insane. Especially when you consider that martial arts, at some point, become idiosyncratic to the user.

👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's not a joke. The kind of intimate understanding the Inquisitor must possess to not only deduce Kanan's form but the specific person who taught him that form out of 10,000 Jedi? That's insane. Especially when you consider that martial arts, at some point, become idiosyncratic to the user.

Right, or maybe Billaba had a famous style, or was a well known teacher or something. She was a Jedi Council member. Knowing her fighting style isn't that impressive. When studying a field you look at the big names in the field. If the Inquisitor was studying the Jedi archives he'd look into the Council first. Especially if said Council member has a padawan that was known to have never been killed in Order 66. And analytical ability doesn't translate into actual ability. It doesn't have many practical effects. Like Joker pointed out:

"In relying on such a mechanical lightsaber model, the Inquisitor betrays one weakness: his fighting skills are not as potent as his analytical skills." - Ultimate Star Wars

The Inquisitor clearly just watched a bunch of training vids and read the records from the Jedi temple and uses that to spook his opponents. Woo, so impressive.

Hell, the fact that it takes him 10 seconds to identify an opponents form is pretty pathetic considering in most cases Jedi identify their opponents form instantly or from their mere stance. Also the fact that he uses such an obviously shitty weapon proves that he's more about psychology than actual skill.

Compared to Kas'im who mastered every lightsaber form with seemingly every fighting style, utterly perfected every aspect of all of them over decades and created thousands of techniques and sequences for them all by himself, well..... the Inquisitor just doesn't compare. At all. Kas'im has actual skill with a lightsaber and understands the forms on an immensely deep level and is capable of using that knowledge in a practical manner. The Inquisitor just boned up on the Jedi archives and recognized a move a famous Jedi was known for. Honestly, the fact that he apparently devoted enough time to watching Jedi in the archives such that he knows individual styles only points to the fact that he neglected his own training.

Kas'im is always the guy you want to knock down but you've not managed it before and it's hilarious that you honestly think the goddamn Inquisitor can manage it.

First, calm down.

Second, the fact that the Inquisitor's analytical talents supersede his skills is irrelevant. The text does not state nor imply that either skill is wanting. So I'm not sure what your point is.

Third, again, the fact that the Inquisitor is able to ascertain the person who taught Kanan simply by exchanging blows with him for a few seconds is incredible. I'm aware you know next to nothing about actual fighting, but martial arts are not a set of limited, preprogrammed moves. Ultimately, each fighter conforms his or her style to his or her preferences, strengths, and weaknesses: resulting in highly personal, idiosyncratic disciplines. Lucas even says in the Episode II behind the scenes features that each Jedi has his or her own way of fighting. For The Inquisitor to identify not just the form but the specific teacher so quickly is incredible.

He's clearly beyond Kas'im honestly.

Fourth, you're obviously pretty biased on all things Kas'im whereas I'm not known to be about the Inquisitor. So... Yeah...

The Inquisitor was also outskilled by a half-trained padawan. My point was pretty apparent, the Inquisitor specialized in analytical ability over his actual combat ability. My point is that you're trying to use the Inquisitor's analytical skills to prove his combat skill, despite a source stating that the former was more advanced than the latter. My point is that he's not a high level duelist at all.

Any time a pasty suburban nerd tries to lecture someone about "how actual fighting works" on the internet my eyes just start to drift a little further apart. Like I said, the Inquisitor had full access to Jedi archives as he states in the episode. All he did was read up on an extremely high profile Jedi whose padawan was never terminated. That doesn't indicate jack shit in terms of his actual lightsaber skill. The fact that he's watched a lot of video's about famous jedi doesn't suggest his ability to be transcendent any more than it does Evannova. That he spent so much time watching instead of actually learning is a mark against him. Kas'im actually physically performed the moves, the Inquisitor just watched them being performed.

And you're biased against Kas'im given that, your adorable comments in this thread aside, you've been arguing against him for as long as I've been arguing for him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Inquisitor was also outskilled by a half-trained padawan.

He was training longer than Bane doe

The darkside is quicker, easier.

Unfortunately that doesn't apply to universal dueling skills.

Um, yes it does. Bane learned at an incredible rate. He mastered vastly more than Kanan became proficient in, in a smaller timeframe.

...And that's because of the Dark Side? 😬

Lulz.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...And that's because of the Dark Side? 😬

Yes? Recall that after Bane reconnects to the Dark Side he starts learning at an increased rate. The Dark Side is specifically noted to be quicker and easier. It makes sense, lots of powerful darksiders had excellent learning rates.

You're full of poop, my son.

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At the 5:08 mark, George explains that no Jedi fights the same and that each has his or her own style. This is commensurate with what goes on in the real world: no two practitioners of any given martial arts fight identically; their style becomes idiosyncratic and not pulled from a highly limited set of pre-programmed maneuvers.

So with that in mind, for the Inquisitor to determine not only the form but who taught that person the form is incredible. Which is why the lore is making such a huge deal of his ability to do this, which means it's nowhere near as simple as you desperately want it to be.

Not to mention the fact that the Inquisitor's profile in Everything You Need To Know About Star Wars very clearly states that the Inquisitor has learned to "use" and "counter" each form of lightsaber combat. The idea that he's just watching videos on Youtube and not actually employing this stuff is not only dishonest, it's flat-out wrong. 👆

The Grand Inquisitor stomps Kas'im tbh.