Originally posted by Stealth Moose
KotOR II being bad. It's not perfect, but it blows JK away.
I liked the first KotOR more, but even after trying multiple times I've never been able to get into the sequel. It was really a chore attempting to get into the meat of the story, though I'm sure it got better from then on. Even so, just concepts like Darth Nihilus and the like were trashy to start with, and they just don't fit in with the rest of the mythos very smoothly.
I easily got more enjoyment out of Jedi Outcast than what I played of Knights2, even if it technically is the better made game. Simple doesn't mean worse, even if KotOR2 became far more enjoyable once you get to a certain point, if the first several hours of gameplay are a boring chore then how is that a good game?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I liked the first KotOR more, but even after trying multiple times I've never been able to get into the sequel. It was really a chore attempting to get into the meat of the story, though I'm sure it got better from then on. Even so, just concepts like Darth Nihilus and the like were trashy to start with, and they just don't fit in with the rest of the mythos very smoothly.I easily got more enjoyment out of Jedi Outcast than what I played of Knights2, even if it technically is the better made game. Simple doesn't mean worse, even if KotOR2 became far more enjoyable once you get to a certain point, if the first several hours of gameplay are a boring chore then how is that a good game?
Have you played Morrowind? Lol.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Ermagawd...
I liked the first KotOR more, but even after trying multiple times I've never been able to get into the sequel. It was really a chore attempting to get into the meat of the story, though I'm sure it got better from then on. Even so, just concepts like Darth Nihilus and the like were trashy to start with, and they just don't fit in with the rest of the mythos very smoothly.I easily got more enjoyment out of Jedi Outcast than what I played of Knights2, even if it technically is the better made game. Simple doesn't mean worse, even if KotOR2 became far more enjoyable once you get to a certain point, if the first several hours of gameplay are a boring chore then how is that a good game?
Someone who agrees with me. I never thought this day would arrive. *sniff*
Originally posted by TzeentchAlso this. This and the clones. The clones are boring.
I dislike how the Force is treated in the EU, and as a result pretty much everything involving Force-users.
One thing I really dislike about the EU is Prequelisation. That's one reason I've never much liked KOTOR.
One of the things that made TOTJ awesome is that it actually looked and felt like it took place 4000 years before the movies. The ships were clunkier and looked more low-tech, so did the lightsabres etc. Then comes along KOTOR (which takes place not that long after TOTJ) and suddenly everything looks like a PT-era knock-off.
The worst thing though was what happened with the Jedi. In TOTJ the Jedi of that era are clearly different than those of the PT era. They dress differently, they operate differently etc. That makes sense; 4000 years is plenty of time for changes to occur.
And again, KOTOR comes along and suddenly the Jedi are just copies of the PT era, wearing the same brown robes and spewing platitudes about no attachments, no emotions etc. It's boring and stupid.
To be fair I understand game designers wanting to emulate the movies. They want to appeal to as many people as possible and most people will only be familiar with the movies. Fair enough but surely they could have set it earlier to allow for such changes to be made.
As I said, prequelisation makes the Star Wars EU less interesting and "smaller" as a whole. I also dislike how it misses the point of the PT in that the Jedi of the PT were WRONG in their attitudes. This is shown very clearly in the OT. Treating the PT's view of how Jedi "should" be as the correct method is a complete mistake.
Originally posted by PTforthewin
Yeah that's why I hated the kotor games
Thanks.
Originally posted by The Merchant
TOR era. Note that this doesn't include KOTOR or TOTJ, although I assume most people know this. TOR story is pretty weak, it's just a mesh of a bunch of stuff that already happened in the EU and movies. Heck, if Dark Empire was written when we had a much clearer definition of what a Sith is the whole thing would pretty much resemble Vitiate's Sith Empire, since that's how TOR Sith Empire is written except they freely call everyone with a Lightsaber Sith.
See, that's why I like the TOR era. It's a rich, dynamic era because it mixes a bunch of stuff together to get something better than the sum of its parts.
All I know is that when I first wrote a Star Wars fanfic, it was set in the TOR era. I think that says something.
Originally posted by The Merchant
TOTJ era. This stuff is pretty forgettable even though I know a lot of people seem to think it's some of the better stuff from the EU. Honestly I don't see what's so great about it. The majority of the characters don't do anything and just die in a later issue. Most of them aren't really memorable either outside of Qel-Droma and Kun and that's simply because they had the most time shown in the series. Kun and Qel-Droma came off more as bullies rather then actually advancing with their plans, Droma and Kun have really dumb reasons why they turned to the Darkside. All in all it's not that great.
TOTJ is awesome. What makes it great is that it really seems different from other eras and that makes it refreshing. The Jedi in particular show this very clearly.
Exar Kun was a great character and is one of my favourite Sith Lords for a number of reasons:
1) He actually shows some humour on occasion. Plus he still held some respect for his former Master, acknowledging that Vodo would be a powerful ally. This makes him far more 3D than most Sith.
2) He had style. He didn't just wear black robes all the time.
3) He used a blue lightsabre even after going dark. True, TOTJ was written before prequelisation came along but even then red was still the most prevalent among bad guy lightsabres.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pretty much anything involving clones.
Originally posted by Lord Lucian
The clones are boring.
Not necessarily. Luuke was great. I love "hero vs. his doppelganger" stories.
Plus the Dark Apprentice from TFUII was an awesome idea. I like the idea of two clones, one a hero because he has the same spirit as the original, one a villain because he rejects it.
Also from TFUII, the aberrant clones were amazing. I like the variation of the hero having to fight a twisted, nightmarish army of his own duplicates.
Clones are both contrived and nonsensical, especially in a story where having the same DNA does not mean that you will have the same Force Potential. You seem to like the hero facing themselves, which is something that if done well is nice. However, that same thing happening over and over again is far from dynamic. And when it curbstomps the continuity, I really don't care what message is trying to get across. Clones became the twist of Star Wars, one that I hated.
Originally posted by chilled monkeySorry, not cloning in general; the Clones. Capital 'c'. The Fett shit.
Not necessarily. Luuke was great. I love "hero vs. his doppelganger" stories.Plus the Dark Apprentice from TFUII was an awesome idea. I like the idea of two clones, one a hero because he has the same spirit as the original, one a villain because he rejects it.
Also from TFUII, the aberrant clones were amazing. I like the variation of the hero having to fight a twisted, nightmarish army of his own duplicates.
Although TFU II and it's rehashed character sucked too. Everything about that game was awful (except for the yelling).