HoT vs Mace Windu

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Mace can still use Vaapad.

Because that's a smart choice. "Hmm, Maybe I should use Vaapad, which I specifically made to fight Dark Siders, against a Powerful Light Sider who's arguably already on my level! Of course!"

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because that's a smart choice. "Hmm, Maybe I should use Vaapad, which I specifically made to fight Dark Siders, against a Powerful Light Sider who's arguably already on my level! Of course!"

Just because it grants an amp against Dark Siders doesn't mean it's a poor choice otherwise. As it stands Mace can still channel his own inner darkness, and it's still an effective form VII variant.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Mace made Vaapad to channel his own inner darkness, the fact that he can do it to his opponents is an added bonus.

Just because it grants an amp against Dark Siders doesn't mean it's a poor choice otherwise. As it stands Mace can still channel his own inner darkness, and it's still an effective form VII variant.

True, but I still think Vaapad against a light sider of HoT's caliber is a bad move. And it's kind of a risk, because he has no one to channel that inner darkness to, I think it'd be just as useful in this fight as plan Juyo itself.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
True, but I still think Vaapad against a light sider of HoT's caliber is a bad move. And it's kind of a risk, because he has no one to channel that inner darkness to, I think it'd be just as useful in this fight as plan Juyo itself.

And what makes Juyo so unuseful?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
just because Vaapad provides an amp against darksiders does not mean it provides a detriment against lightsiders.

And what makes Juyo so unuseful?

I'm not saying it's unuseful, but Vaapad has been implied to be at a disadvantage against light siders.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm not saying it's unuseful, but Vaapad has been implied to be at a disadvantage against light siders.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
where was that implied?

"The power of Vaapad is simple: it is a channel for one's inner darkness; and it is a reflecting device." How can it be reflected if one doesn't have darkness, canonically, HoT has done everything the lightsided way, regardless of how everyone played. So, if there is no inner darkness to reflect, how can it be reflected?

This issue came up when Tulsar Leidias tried to recreate Vaapad, but didn't have the inner darkness to do so. I'm sure Vaapad will be handy to have in this fight, but it isn't giving Mace any advantages.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
"The power of Vaapad is simple: it is a channel for one's inner darkness; and it is a reflecting device." How can it be reflected if one doesn't have darkness, canonically, HoT has done everything the lightsided way, regardless of how everyone played. So, if there is no inner darkness to reflect, how can it be reflected?

This issue came up when Tulsar Leidias tried to recreate Vaapad, but didn't have the inner darkness to do so. I'm sure Vaapad will be handy to have in this fight, but it isn't giving Mace any advantages.

And what advantages would any other style he uses give him?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Mace could still use his own inner darkness.

And what advantages would any other style he uses give him?

Yes, he could, but he couldn't channel it, or reflect it, therefore making it almost useless.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes, he could, but he couldn't channel it, or reflect it, therefore making it almost useless.

WTF?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes, he could, but he couldn't channel it, or reflect it, therefore making it almost useless.

lol
"I created Vaapad to answer my weakness: it channels my own darkness into a weapon of the light."

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He is perfectly capable of channeling his own darkness.

WTF?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
How is he going to channel it when there is nothing reflecting it? It'd basically be a Dark Sider against a Light Sider (In combat terms, of course)

Originally posted by Based
lol
"I created Vaapad to answer my weakness: it channels my own darkness into a weapon of the light."

Originally posted by Jmanghan
He created it to use against Dark Siders. Quinlan Vos doesn't count, as he was on the Dark Side when Windu defeated him.

He created it to CHANNEL HIS OWN DARKNESS. I'm not sure how to make that clearer. He made it to counter his dark side nature, not anyone elses.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He doesn't need something to reflect it WTF?

Originally posted by Based
He created it to CHANNEL HIS OWN DARKNESS. I'm not sure how to make that clearer. He made it to counter his dark side nature, not anyone elses.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
He needs to be fighting someone with Inner Darkness, something HoT does not have, reflecting as in, his inner darkness is bouncing off of someone else who is USING, but not channeling, THEIR inner darkness.

I don't think it's ever been said that every single choice everywhere had to be a light side option. It's just that when it comes to huge events with great swing, they are lightsided. Either way, the HoT, being a lightsider aside, still has inner darkness just like everyone else, so I don't even get what the point of this was. That being said, Vaapad won't give Mace the edge here.

Well, Scourge canonically did say the Hero was touched by darkness, despite whether or not you make LS or DS choices. So technically, Mace still has another fraction of darkness to work with.