Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean like how it's unlikely they'd send mooks against Geonosis? The majority of the PT era were poorly trained mooks unaccustomed with actual battles.
Lol Plo Koon, Mace Windu, Sora Bulq, Luminara Unduli, Eeth Koth, Shaak Ti, Agen Kolar, Aayla Secura, Adi Gallia, Saesee Tiin and Kit Fisto are mooks? Excuse me while I laugh in a corner. Also they just took the people who were stationed in the Temple, literally assembled in like 5 minutes to rescue Obi-Wan.
Evidently you don't know the meaning of "majority." Most of the PT era Jedi were relatively poorly trained fighters only trained in Niman or Soresu (neither of which are traditionally that strong in close combat). The PT era does have a very high number of exceptional duelists at the top of the Order though.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Evidently you don't know the meaning of "majority." Most of the PT era Jedi were relatively poorly trained fighters only trained in Niman or Soresu (neither of which are traditionally that strong in close combat). The PT era does have a very high number of exceptional duelists at the top of the Order though.
Oh really? So I guess Kenobi and Exar Kun are poorly trained fighters because they specialize in Soresu and Niman. The guys at the temple are weak because guess what they're dudes stationed on Coruscant. You don't station your best on Coruscant during peace times.
Hence why I said 'traditionally.' Do you not know the meaning of that either? My point was that neither Soresu or Niman are built to do well against, say, someone attacking them in hand to hand. Soresu is focused on blaster deflection and Niman is a relaxed form built for diplomats and force attacks. Kenobi and Kun are exceptions.
My point still stands that most of the PT order weren't great fighters.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Hence why I said 'traditionally.' Do you not know the meaning of that either? My point was that neither Soresu or Niman are built to do well against, say, someone attacking them in hand to hand. Soresu is focused on blaster deflection and Niman is a relaxed form built for diplomats and force attacks. Kenobi and Kun are exceptions.
Not really true at all. There's no form designed towards fighting an unarmed combatant at all. Just because they aren't the most martial doesn't change the fact that they are superhuman force sensitives with augmented reflexes. Also there is no real evidence that other eras were masters at Makashi or Ataru, for all you know they used Niman and Soresu as well.
My point still stands that most of the PT order weren't great fighters.
Which is utterly unsubstantiated.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not really true at all. There's no form designed towards fighting an unarmed combatant at all. Just because they aren't the most martial doesn't change the fact that they are superhuman force sensitives with augmented reflexes. Also there is no real evidence that other eras were masters at Makashi or Ataru, for all you know they used Niman and Soresu as well.Which is utterly unsubstantiated.
Irrelevant, the point is that neither is built for seriously fighting a melee opponent. The fact that they mainly trained to fight blasters or in the undemanding diplomats form is suggestive of their combat ability. It's only natural that the talentless feebs of the era wouldn't do well against Jango getting up in their shit.
Actually in the Jedi Path it says that Makashi was popular during Banes time, for obvious reasons.
I've substantiated it in the past many times.