Originally posted by Emperordmb
Freshest Slice, stop talking with him, he'll be deleted soon, and I DO NOT want this thread to turn into a trollfest where you argue back and forth for a troll for ten pages.
Emperor though I know many would say (he was amped derp a herp) could you please make the low end as to why Desann defeated Luke I'd really like to get your perspective on this. Thank You
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Time to answer some requests:
As far as Windu vs Sidious goes, pretty much everybody is familiar with the arguments and controversy surrounding this one, and the fight had Sidious annihilating the B-team instantly, so I wouldn't call this one a seemingly low end showing for Sidious as much as a seemingly high end showing for Windu. In any case, this one has been talked to death already.
As far as Vitiate vs HOT goes, it would certainly be a help if most of the fight wasn't gameplay. I'm also very conflicted on the angle I argue Vitiate from. Debating with Carthage gives me a new-found respect for Vitiate, while debating with LeGenD almost completely destroys that respect. Though it may be one I tackle at some point.
As far as Desann vs Luke goes, I'm not very familiar with that series, and even from what I've seen I have no idea how to begin explaining that one.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
As far as Vitiate vs HOT goes, it would certainly be a help if most of the fight wasn't gameplay. I'm also very conflicted on the angle I argue Vitiate from. Debating with Carthage gives me a new-found respect for Vitiate, while debating with LeGenD almost completely destroys that respect. Though it may be one I tackle at some point.
Fellow member Carthage have extremely deflated opinion about Emperor Vitiate but this doesn't bothers me at all. My assessment of the said character is based on his official information, nothing else.
This thread is admittedly interesting and you are doing a good job in it; I enjoyed reading your assessments.
If you need input on second confrontation between Emperor Vitiate and Hero of Tython, I will be glad to assist. I have access to the relevant sources and information about this event to facilitate in this matter.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your assessment of a character shouldn't be distorted by views of any member; if you have sources at your disposal, just use them formulate your assessment accordingly. I don't get your sensitivity in this matter at all.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fellow member Carthage have extremely deflated opinion about Emperor Vitiate but this doesn't bothers me at all.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This thread is admittedly interesting and you are doing a good job in it; I enjoyed reading your assessments.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It affects my desire to discuss Vitiate more than anything else.
I like some characters and my views about them are never distorted by what fellow members think about them. I have confidence in validity of official information and simply use it to express my POV. You may also use this strategy to formulate your assessment of a character.
In-fact, you can benefit from this blog: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/ (I created this blog to provide fan-base of Emperor Vitiate detailed knowledge of the referred character. 🙂)
In addition, if you need an input about ground realities of second confrontation between Emperor Vitiate and Hero of Tython, just let me know. I will provide you full information about this event. 🙂
Originally posted by Emperordmb
He has a deflated opinion about pretty much every EU character he hates.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Thank you 😄
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Here's a new thing I'm trying, which is a one on one defeat rather than a one vs group defeat. I'm going to tackle one that has left Star Wars fans baffled for quite a while now. How the hell was Maul defeated by Obi-wan in TPM?The Defeated: Darth Maul was a bit too cocky for his own good in that fight. Having just defeated Qui-gon, whom his master stated to be the more powerful of the two, and having treated Kenobi as a non-factor for the previous part of the fight, Maul was almost certainly underestimating Kenobi. And Maul certainly didn't expect anything of Kenobi after he had pushed him into the pit, disarming him and eliminating his weapon from the fight. Through his hubris, Maul overlooked the other weapon in the room.
The Victor: Obi-wan Kenobi is hardly your average Jedi Padawan first of all. He was trained by Qui-gon Jinn, an expert swordsman who held Kenobi at high esteem, and was also on the verge of becoming a Jedi Knight. To top this off, Kenobi was empowered by the rage of losing his master, so was pushing himself a lot further than he previously had been.
Sign(s) of the Superiority of the Fallen: After Maul regains his composure after being caught off guard by Kenobi, Maul kicked Kenobi, casually twirled over his blade before exhibiting a taunting pose, and a few seconds later he met Kenobi in a bladelock, overpowering Kenobi and opening him up to either a physical, force, or lightsaber attack, with Maul being perfectly capable of applying any of these to end the fight at that point.
Conclusion: So basically Maul who had just defeated Kenobi's master, who had demonstrated far greater ability than him throughout the fight, was considerably cocky, and underestimating Kenobi. Kenobi however, being an exceptionally skilled padawan and empowered by his rage was capable of catching Maul off guard in the first twenty seconds of their fight, cutting Maul's saberstaff in half. Maul however managed to recover from Kenobi's strike at his weapon and regain his composure in the next seven seconds, managing to turn the fight back in his favor. With his composure regained, he kicked Kenobi, easily dodged his attacks, and overpowered him in a bladelock in the next fifteen seconds, leaving the padawan open to a variety of moves Maul could've used to finish him off. Maul having already bested his opponent thoroughly enough, used the force to throw him into the pit, and discarded Kenobi's weapon, removing it from the fight. Having solidly beat and disarmed Kenobi, Maul no longer considered him a threat, and in his hubris failed to recognize the fact that Jinn's lightsaber was still available for Kenobi to use, and when Kenobi took advantage of this opportunity, Maul was completely unprepared, caught off guard, and lost his legs because of this.
Excellent analysis.
I would like to add that dumb luck also played a part for two reasons:
1) The fact that no one thought it would be a good idea to put some railings around that pit. Had there been railings Kenobi wouldn't have fallen in and Maul would presumably have killed him then and there.
2) The fact that Kenobi just so happened to fall close enough to a nozzle to grab onto it.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Hondo says that Dooku cut up some of his men with his lightsaber, meaning that Dooku did indeed reclaim his weapon during that fight.
You mean the scene where a drunken Hondo boasts about him defeating Dooku... Yeah, something tells me he isn't being quite truthful especially since it directly contradicts what we saw earlier in the episode.
Originally posted by red8
I guess these two requests have also been talked about to death, but the sake of completion, could you do:Obi-Wan vs Anakin (RotS)
Luke vs Vader (RotJ)
In the RotS duel, despite being intimately familiar with one another's fighting styles, Kenobi was still being hammered for the most part because his opponent was faster, stronger, and more powerful. Anakin lost because of his own mental vulnerability and overconfidence, not because of inferior fighting ability.
I don't see how Luke vs Vader was a low end defeat.