Raskta Lsu vs Revan (Sabers Only)

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I could see Revan beating her through sheer power, similar to how Bane was beating Kas'im.

Good one. Im not sure Revan can do it, Raskta wouldve killed Bane were it not for the orbalisks. Revan isnt as good of a swordsman as Bane, but Raskta shouldnt be much faster than him. Hmmmm

raskta had battle med, something she doesn't have here.

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Revan is the superior duelist, I'm rather annoyed you are suggesting otherwise.
Lsu is good, but even with the addition of Battle Meditation and the aid of numerous other Jedi, she failed to even make blade contact with a reckless Bane iirc.
Also, it's embarrassing that despite being an Echani, a master of precognition, she didn't sense Zannah behind her.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan is the superior duelist, I'm rather annoyed you are suggesting otherwise.

I agree. Lsu is good but her victories were against New Sith Wars era Sith. Revan has beaten far more impressive foes.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lsu is good, but even with the addition of Battle Meditation and the aid of numerous other Jedi, she failed to even make blade contact with a reckless Bane iirc.

Not quite. At the start of the fight Lsu landed several hits on Bane, they just couldn't get through his orbalisks. When she realised his head was the only vulnerable target Bane stopped being reckless and started being more defensive. At this point she was joined by Johun and Farfalla. None of them could land a hit on Bane's head but like I said, at that point he had stopped being reckless.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Also, it's embarrassing that despite being an Echani, a master of precognition, she didn't sense Zannah behind her.

To be fair Zannah did use a cloaking spell to shield herself from detection.

She did make blade contact, many times.
She couldn't sense Zannah because she'd hidden her presence with the same technique that let her walk into the Jedi Temple.

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Ninja'd.

Not quite. At the start of the fight Lsu landed several hits on Bane, they just couldn't get through his orbalisks. When she realised his head was the only vulnerable target Bane stopped being reckless and started being more defensive. At this point she was joined by Johun and Farfalla. None of them could land a hit on Bane's head but like I said, at that point he had stopped being reckless.

To be fair Zannah did use a cloaking spell to shield herself from detection.

Revan is the superior duelist, I'm rather annoyed you are suggesting otherwise.

You shouldn't be, Raskta is one of the most skilled duelists in the mythos.

she failed to even make contact with a reckless Bane

Uh, Lsu hit Bane like a dozen times in the span of a couple seconds at one point in the fight.

Also, it's embarrassing that despite being an Echani, a master of precognition, she didn't sense Zannah behind her.

That's because the battle precognition of the Echani is tactical rather than Force-based. If you listen to the words of Brianna this should be pretty clear.

Uh, Lsu hit Bane like a dozen times in the span of a couple seconds at one point in the fight.

That's because the battle precognition of the Echani is tactical rather than Force-based. If you listen to the words of Brianna this should be pretty clear.

]Not necessarily. It is a *Force ability*, as shown by when Brianna's speech is over, the Exile get's a new *Force ability*.

This is a game mechanic. Most Echani warriors were not even Force sensitive, even Yusanis falls into this category. Again, Briana's explanations of Echani combat support the talent being strategy based.

"Battle Precognition was a variant of precognition that allowed one to sense the flows of the Force. Jedi Padawan Tallisibeth Enwandung-Esterhazy (better known as "Scout"😉 had this power. The Jedi Knight Revan and Meetra Surik were known to be gifted users of Battle Precognition. Surik learned this ability from Brianna. Darth Bane also possessed a natural ability for precognition before he even began training as a Sith. Nova Stihl possessed a nearly identical ability, which he called Blink.

The Echani were known to possess a variant of this ability which did not draw from the Force but from the warrior's own instincts. The most elite Echani warriors were able to predict battles and even the course of a war. It was probable that such outcomes grew more likely or unlikely as critical moments approached and passed."

Taken from Wookiee because too lazy ^

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Doesn't matter. A trained Echani+Battle Med+Force Sensitivity should be able to sense that.

Lawl. Nope. Zannah's spell of concealment was so powerful that decades after she used it on Ambria it psychically assualted Cognus when she tried sensing in the area.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not necessarily. It is a *Force ability*, as shown by when Brianna's speech is over, the Exile get's a new *Force ability*.

Isn't Battle Precog a feat, not a force power? It adds your wisdom score to your defense.

Isn't Battle Precog a feat, not a force power? erm

Lawl. Nope. Zannah's spell of concealment was so powerful that decades after she used it on Ambria it psychically assualted Cognus when she tried sensing in the area.

Bane got stabbed six times before he even had a chance to yet to her. Even unamped her reflexes and overall speed should he similar to Revan. Non game mechanics Revan's speed is nothing special

Again, though, that description is not the same as the Echani arts. That which you are referencing is simply the application of precognition in battle, it's an ability that almost all Jedi and Sith can use.

Non game mechanics Revan's speed is nothing special

Revan's entire fight with the Sith Emperor, and then T3's attack, along with Revan being tortured, only happened in a few seconds. This expresses the immense speed of Revan if he had to cross a throne room at least forty meters long and so much more (the fight itself) in such a short amount of time.
"It [his fight with the Sith Emperor] all happened in the space of only a few seconds."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Revan defeats the legendary Yusanis, perhaps due to his own incredible speed.
"...if Father had been faster... if only Father had been faster..."
―The Handmaiden (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)

Revan has slaughtered dozens of Echani, masters of speed.
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter...In many ways, the Echani see combat as a rapid dejarik game, calculating feints, attacks, and dodges with a speed that few can surpass."
―Chris Avellone (KOTOR Designer)

Revan is said to have incredible reflexes as he pilots the Ebon Hawk.
"the lightning-fast reactions of [Revan]..."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Revan moves his lightsaber in a bluring motion.
"As Veela and two others-reacting slightly faster than the rest-fired, the green blade transformed into a spinning, twirling blur as he used it to deflect their bolts back in the direction of the shooters."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Revan moves his lightsaber faster then Veela Ordo can speak.
"Revan was in motion, his lightsaber flashing to life, before the words had finished spilling from her mouth."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Revan moves fast enough to avoid being hit by Basilisk canon fire.
"He charged the nearest rider, zigzagging to keep the Basilisk from getting a clear shot. "
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Again, though, that description is not the same as the Echani arts. That which you are referencing is simply the application of precognition in battle, it's an ability that almost all Jedi and Sith can use.

It's hard to speak for Lsu, since her only combat showing was while under the influence of battle meditation. Her speed feats while in that state were immense, though.