Me and my son arguing Xmen vs. Naruto

X-men. None of Naruto's team are resistant to Marvel universe type of Psionic attack save perhaps Itachi (debatable). 3 of the Xvillains have insane durability and regen while the other 2 have shielding they can erect at the speed of thought. Only a handful abilities on Naruto's can probly get through the shielding (amaterasu, lightning flash, kakashi's dimentional shunting, magenkyo sharingan and perhaps izanagi) while they will have to content against blood metal rip, telepathic attacks, magical siphoning, etc.

Telepaths from Marvel are way stronger than best genjutsu users in narutoverse.

Magneto has good feats of TP resistance. His reactions feats are way better than the narutoverse ones. Apocalypse also have good TP resistance.

And we cant know if a Itachi genjutsu will work against a bunch of guys who have WAY more brute power than Kyubi or anything in narutoverse. When he used a genjutsu against a group of very powerfull guys ?

In the other hand, they dont have durability to withstand Magneto or Apocalypse attacks.

Magneto alone is more than enough.

not marvel

LOL.

Now I understand if people say X-men win, but Magneto solos? ROFL

Not at all.

Especially not against Edo-Tensei variants

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
X-men. None of Naruto's team are resistant to Marvel universe type of Psionic attack save perhaps Itachi (debatable). 3 of the Xvillains have insane durability and regen while the other 2 have shielding they can erect at the speed of thought. Only a handful abilities on Naruto's can probly get through the shielding (amaterasu, lightning flash, kakashi's dimentional shunting, magenkyo sharingan and perhaps izanagi) while they will have to content against blood metal rip, telepathic attacks, magical siphoning, etc.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Telepaths from Marvel are way stronger than best genjutsu users in narutoverse.

Magneto has good feats of TP resistance. His reactions feats are way better than the narutoverse ones. Apocalypse also have good TP resistance.

And we cant know if a Itachi genjutsu will work against a bunch of guys who have WAY more brute power than Kyubi or anything in narutoverse. When he used a genjutsu against a group of very powerfull guys ?

In the other hand, they dont have durability to withstand Magneto or Apocalypse attacks.

Magneto alone is more than enough.

Stronger? Perhaps. Durability? Maybe.

But not speed.

The problem is Itachi casting illusions through his finger. As powerful as everyone's shields are, they still let light through (otherwise, they can't see). Once they see his finger, they're caught in the genjutsu. And that is the problem here. And it's not TP as such, so their TP durability should not be the issue here.

Kakashi's Kamui alone would **** them up big time.

Genjutsu is a power based in control the enemy energy. In Naruto it affects the chakra in brain.

How we can equalize this to another universe ? If you say it dont have anything to do with TP, then, you think Itachi can control Apocalypse energy flow with ease ? A guy who have total control of his molecules and has more Raw Power than anything in naruto universe ?

And not only that, but Itachi could control the energy flow of the entire X-men team - at same time ? Even without having feats of using genjutsu in a group of people at same time AND dont having much chakra ?

Magneto has confirmed super reaction speed in a panel. Has feats of light-speed reaction. Caught speedsters before (people way faster than anything in naruto team).

Funny because you think Itachi is fighting alone.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Genjutsu is a power based in control the enemy energy. In Naruto it affects the chakra in brain.

How we can equalize this to another universe ? If you say it dont have anything to do with TP, then, you think Itachi can control Apocalypse energy flow with ease ? A guy who have total control of his molecules and has more Raw Power than anything in naruto universe ?

And not only that, but Itachi could control the energy flow of the entire X-men team - at same time ? Even without having feats of using genjutsu in a group of people at same time AND dont having much chakra ?

Magneto has confirmed super reaction speed in a panel. Has feats of light-speed reaction. Caught speedsters before (people way faster than anything in naruto team).

It only takes a few seconds, but to the victim, it feels like years. He doesn't have to do the entire team at once, just one after the other AS the rest of the Naruto team engage in battle.

And they are all really, really fast.

Sasuke has an eternal mangekyo sharingan and rinnegan.
Minato has his stupid speed and seals.
Naruto has...well you know.
Kakashi can BFR almost the entire team.

Did I miss someone? Does it matter?

I think the one certain key to getting over the Narutoverse is super speed. That way you can dispose of them before the stupid WTF is this shit eye powers start ruining things. And 2 of them are immortal zombies with nigh-infinite chakra and healing.

The more I look at it, the more I realize the Naruto team stomps, badly. Some of them, you can't even look at them during combat and everyone on the Xmen team will look at the combatants. This is a massacre to the 8th degree.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It only takes a few seconds, but to the victim, it feels like years. He doesn't have to do the entire team at once, just one after the other AS the rest of the Naruto team engage in battle.

IF he has chakra to affect the entire team. He exaust himself in manga after use his powers.

But again. You talk like it s 100% confirmed his power will affect Magneto or Apocalypse. Do you think he can control the enery flow of then ?

In the other hand Magneto can kill the entire Naruto team with a gesture.

And in this match they are not edo-tensei versions.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
IF he has chakra to affect the entire team. He exaust himself in manga after use his powers.

But again. You talk like it s 100% confirmed his power will affect Magneto or Apocalypse. Do you think he can control the enery flow of then ?

In the other hand Magneto can kill the entire Naruto team with a gesture.

And in this match they are not edo-tensei versions.

Why is Itachi suddenly in this fight alone?

All the others can also use genjutsu. If you're referring to Tsukuyomi (which is what Itachi uses), Itachi WAS exhausted, true, but in his fight with Sasuke, Itachi, whilst dying, cast 3 Kage Bunshins, used Katon, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo and used Amaterasu twice. So yeah, just using Tsukuyomi won't suddenly drain him.

Not to mention, Sasuke himself can also do it.

Also not to mention, when the fight starts, shields AREN'T up etc, whereas the Narutoverse seems to blitz etc from the get go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is Itachi suddenly in this fight alone?

All the others can also use genjutsu. If you're referring to Tsukuyomi (which is what Itachi uses), Itachi WAS exhausted, true, but in his fight with Sasuke, Itachi, whilst dying, cast 3 Kage Bunshins, used Katon, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo and used Amaterasu twice. So yeah, just using Tsukuyomi won't suddenly drain him.

Not to mention, Sasuke himself can also do it.

Also not to mention, when the fight starts, shields AREN'T up etc, whereas the Narutoverse seems to blitz etc from the get go.

Let him fight alone anyway. He is an immortal zombie. Let the xteam gang up on him while the rest of the Narutards go to town spamming their hacks.

And yes I'm totally riding Narutoverse's dick.

awesome

Because if Genjutsu dont work as you guys are saying, team Naruto will have almost no chance to win (only Kamui). They can blitz Apocalypse in every way you imagine and still he will not be KOed or dead. They have no way to break Magneto Shield. Only thing they can do is pray to Kamui work on that.

I repeat: Do you think Itachi can control energy flow of Magneto and Apocalypse ?

Magneto has better feats of speed than all guys in Naruto. Or all his feats are considered PIS here...? If you say Magneto has normal human speed in this thread, then he can be killed.

When was stated this is Zombie Itachi or edo-tensei team?

Sasuke
Kakashi
4th Hokage
Naruto
Itachi

Tough team. But here is my X team:

Mr. Sinister
Magneto
Selene
Exodus
Apocalypse

Who takes this??

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Because if Genjutsu dont work as you guys are saying, team Naruto will have almost no chance to win (only Kamui). They can blitz Apocalypse in every way you imagine and still he will not be KOed or dead. They have no way to break Magneto Shield. Only thing they can do is pray to Kamui work on that.

I repeat: Do you think Itachi can control energy flow of Magneto and Apocalypse ?

Magneto has better feats of speed than all guys in Naruto. Or all his feats are considered PIS here...? If you say Magneto has normal human speed in this thread, then he can be killed.

Again: Tsukuyomi takes a second to work. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, then Itachi/Sasuke can move on to the next person.

Again: Magneto does not start the match floating in the air, shields up.

I have no idea what to term MAgneto's speed, lol. Being honest here. On the one hand, yeah, he's human in speed/durability/strength etc. But under comic book showings, he's done more (like Punisher/Batman). So I am chalking it up to PIS, as he does not show it on a regular basis everytime like, say, Batman does.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
When was stated this is Zombie Itachi or edo-tensei team?

Most recent versions seen, I guess.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]On the one hand, yeah, he's human in speed/durability/strength etc.

But he is not:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoEnhancedReactionTime.jpg~original

"Subjects neural synaptic sparking accelerated to 1450% above normal"