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DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

@ares Exactly. 👆
http://www.starwars.com/databank/vitiate
That's ****ing hilarious, lmfao. ^

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
There is the official T-canon statement you are choosing to ignore because it places the Ones above your precious SWTOR characters.
"There, they discover three beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before."
The Ones>Vitiate. Stop deluding yourself.

My precious SWTOR characters?

Did I write SWTORE? It is a product of collaboration between BioWare and LucasArts.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

You are ignoring the point of his post.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My point is based on following reasons:
1. Abeloth had been trapped by special arrangements in a cluster known as MAW, she was so powerful and dangerous. The Ones facilitated in this development.
2. The Father, at some point, began to decline and would have eventually perished. However, Abeloth was absolutely fine.

Yet was still able to hold his children and Abeloth in check. 😬

Either way, my point was, nothing suggests that Abeloth is as powerful as any of the Ones. Stating that she lived longer doesn't really support that she is more powerful.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not ignoring anything. Yes, TCW promotes Son in such a manner but BioWare disagrees.

And TCW>Bioware in terms of canon. T-canon overwrites C-canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Official databank also have reduced the hype of The Ones.

I don't see how it reduces their hype at all. Sure its accolades aren't as great as their TCW accolades, but it does not contradict those accolades, nor does it demonstrate a limit for the Ones.

I also doubt we can even count the Official Databank in the Legends continuity anymore. hell by that token Vitiate doesn't even exist.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There never have been a consensus on matters of "most powerful" in case of Star Wars.

the fact of the matter is that the Ones' accolade that states them to be superior to Vitiate hasn't been contradicted in a source of equal or higher canon standing.

Stop deluding yourself and trying to pretend Vitiate is the most powerful character ever.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yet was still able to hold his children and Abeloth in check. 😬
Either way, my point was, nothing suggests that Abeloth is as powerful as any of the Ones. Stating that she lived longer doesn't really support that she is more powerful.

- Abeloth is product of Font of Power and Pool of Knowledge
- Son is product of Font of Power
- Daughter is product of Pool of Knowledge

Do the math.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Abeloth is product of Font of Power and Pool of Knowledge
- Son is product of Font of Power
- Daughter is product of Pool of Knowledge
Do the math.

Except the Son and Daughter were already powerful before using the Font and Pool respectively. Nothing suggests that Abeloth was anywhere near their level even afterwards. The Father still held more control, her not aging doesn't prove that she was more powerful.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And TCW>Bioware in terms of canon. T-canon overwrites C-canon.

If you are looking at this matter from 'canon versus legends' perspective, then I cannot say much to you. You are simply taking advantage of Disney's latest canon policy.

However, Disney Administration have pointed out that it is not dismissing the credibility of legends, just that it will recognize every kind of contribution to the lore as canon post-takeover.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't see how it reduces their hype at all. Sure its accolades aren't as great as their TCW accolades, but it does not contradict those accolades, nor does it demonstrate a limit for the Ones.

SWTORE was released after Season 3 of TCW which contains episodes featuring The Ones. Authorities behind TCW had no idea that BioWare would contradict their vision about most powerful Force-user but SWTORE was given go-ahead for publication regardless.

The renewed official databank is representative of vision of Disney Administration itself, not representative of vision of Mr. Lucas and his colleagues. Some changes have been made to previous G-canon ground realities in this latest development. As an example, Anakin is no longer touted as having the potential to become the most powerful Force-user ever, Yoda is no longer touted as the most powerful Jedi in history and The Ones are not touted to be the strongest Force-users that Jedi have ever come across. In short, room for creative liberties exists.

Of-course, Disney Administration is not going to undo TCW series itself. Therefore, older accolade is not out of the picture.

However, if I am dismiss a BioWare's accolade then why not dismiss pre-takeover EU on the whole? Why double standards?

Get my position now?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I also doubt we can even count the Official Databank in the Legends continuity anymore. hell by that token Vitiate doesn't even exist.

Renewed official databank is canon and represents vision of Disney Administration itself.

Yes, Vitiate is currently stuff of legends as per latest canon policy.

However, interestingly, Great Galactic War have been referenced in TCW.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
the fact of the matter is that the Ones' accolade that states them to be superior to Vitiate hasn't been contradicted in a source of equal or higher canon standing.

See above

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Stop deluding yourself and trying to pretend Vitiate is the most powerful character ever.

I personally don't care if he is regarded as the most powerful Force-user ever or not, I do give importance to legends content however and Emperor have been promoted in multiple sources as most powerful Force-users ever.

Now, if you are disregarding legends, then do it in its entirety instead of pick and choose within it. Do not exercise double standards.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except the Son and Daughter were already powerful before using the Font and Pool respectively.

And you know this how?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nothing suggests that Abeloth was anywhere near their level even afterwards. The Father still held more control, her not aging doesn't prove that she was more powerful.

Abeloth was trapped within MAW. She have nothing to do with Father's control over Son and Daughter.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If you are looking at this matter from 'canon versus legends' perspective, then I cannot say much to you. You are simply taking advantage of Disney's latest canon policy.

This is not what I was saying at all. I was referencing the Canon hierarchy within the Legends continuity, where TCW is a part of T-canon, SWTOR is a part of C-canon, and T-canon trumps C-canon.

I was not including the Disney Continuity in this at all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
SWTORE was released after Season 3 of TCW which contains episodes featuring The Ones. Authorities behind TCW had no idea that BioWare would contradict their vision about most powerful Force-user but SWTORE was given go-ahead for publication nonetheless.

That's not how these things work. C-canon does not trump T-canon regardless of publication dates. With both of these statements in the lore contradicting eachother, the statement that constitutes a higher level of canon trumps the other.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The renewed official databank is representative of vision of Disney Administration itself, not a work of Mr. Lucas and his colleagues. Some changes have been made to previous G-canon ground realities in this latest development. As an example, Anakin is no longer touted as having the potential to become the most powerful Force-user ever, Yoda is no longer touted as the most powerful Jedi in history and The Ones are not touted to be the strongest Force-users that Jedi have ever come across. In short, room for creative liberties exists.
Of-course, Disney Management is not going to undo TCW series itself. Therefore, older accolade is not out of the picture.

It's hard to tell, but if you are acting as if the Databank not mentioning their accolades makes those accolades worthless, then that is not true at all. These accolades have not been contradicted at all in the databanks.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
However, if I am dismiss a BioWare's accolade then why not dismiss pre-takeover EU on the whole? Why double standards?
Get my position now?

There are no double standards on my part here. I am not arguing Canon and Legends continuities, I am arguing the canon heiarchy within the Legends continuity.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Renewed official databank is canon and represents vision of Disney Administration itself.
Yes, Vitiate is currently stuff of legends as per latest canon policy.
However, interestingly, Great Galactic War have been referenced in TCW.

The renewed Databank, since it follows the whole Legends/Canon split no longer has any impact on the Legends continuity.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I personally don't care if he is regarded as the most powerful Force-user ever or not, I do give importance to legends content however and Emperor have been promoted in multiple sources as most powerful Force-users ever.
Now, if you are disregarding legends, then do it in its entirety instead of pick and choose within it. Do not exercise double standards.

You are completely missing my point. I am not arguing stuff is invalid because it is legends, why would I? We are debating in the Legends continuity, so I am not dismissing stuff because of its status as Legends material.

I am not disregarding Legends at all here, and I am certainly not exercising double standards.

My entire point is that within the Legends continuity, the hierarchy of canon within the Legends continuity has T-canon trumping C-canon, which makes TCW's statements more canon than SWTOR's statements. This means that if there is a contradiction, TCW's statements trump SWTOR's statements, even within the Legends continuity.

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Bane dies

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This is not what I was saying at all. I was referencing the Canon hierarchy within the Legends continuity, where TCW is a part of T-canon, SWTOR is a part of C-canon, and T-canon trumps C-canon.
I was not including the Disney Continuity in this at all.
That's not how these things work. C-canon does not trump T-canon regardless of publication dates. With both of these statements in the lore contradicting eachother, the statement that constitutes a higher level of canon trumps the other.
It's hard to tell, but if you are acting as if the Databank not mentioning their accolades makes those accolades worthless, then that is not true at all. These accolades have not been contradicted at all in the databanks.
There are no double standards on my part here. I am not arguing Canon and Legends continuities, I am arguing the canon heiarchy within the Legends continuity.
The renewed Databank, since it follows the whole Legends/Canon split no longer has any impact on the Legends continuity.
You are completely missing my point. I am not arguing stuff is invalid because it is legends, why would I? We are debating in the Legends continuity, so I am not dismissing stuff because of its status as Legends material.
I am not disregarding Legends at all here, and I am certainly not exercising double standards.
My entire point is that within the Legends continuity, the hierarchy of canon within the Legends continuity has T-canon trumping C-canon, which makes TCW's statements more canon than SWTOR's statements. This means that if there is a contradiction, TCW's statements trump SWTOR's statements, even within the Legends continuity.

Older canon hierarchy is no longer valid.

It is now legends content and canon content.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Older canon hierarchy is no longer valid.
It is now legends content and canon content.

The older canon hierarchy is no longer valid in the Canon continuity, because Disney is micromanaging it to make sure everything fits together right. There is no need for it in the Canon/Disney continuity.

The Legends continuity is a different story however.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The older canon hierarchy is no longer valid in the Canon continuity, because Disney is micromanaging it to make sure everything fits together right. There is no need for it in the Canon/Disney continuity.
The Legends continuity is a different story however.

Legends continuity doesn't have hierarchies either.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Legends continuity doesn't have hierarchies either.

Bullshit.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bullshit.

How?

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How?

Disney changed it because they were making Canon into one seamless continuity. This has no bearing on legends.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Disney changed it because they were making Canon into one seamless continuity. This has no bearing on legends.

I am not getting you here.

Older canon hierarchies have been dismissed and new canon policy have been proposed by Disney Administration. According to this new canon policy, content have been classified in to two types:

1. Canon
2. Legends

Canon content represents all works of Mr. Lucas. However, every contribution to the lore post-takeover is part of canon continuity.

The entire EU lore pre-takeover represents Legends continuity.

Clear now?

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not getting you here.
Older canon hierarchies have been dismissed and new canon policy have been proposed by Disney Administration. According to this new canon policy, content have been classified in to two types:
1. Canon
2. Legends
Canon content represents all works of Mr. Lucas. However, every contribution to the lore post-takeover is part of canon continuity.
The entire EU lore pre-takeover represents Legends continuity.
Clear now?

So the EU lore prior to the takeover, which included a hierarchy, is in legends, with the hierarchy still standing.

red8 Senior Member

Wasn't the Son able to casually corrupt the entire planet of Mortis with his Dark Side abilities? And the Daughter was able to heal it back? And they did this on a daily basis?

The Son stomps this.