So you're saying Sentry flew to the planet at many times the speed of light, and then slowed down once he got there, as proven by this page:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2n8c495.jpg
Makes sense. The only thing I don't understand now is the big explosion/crater. Can you shed some light on that?
Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]World Breaker Hulk's best feat:Colliding with the Red She-Hulk at full force and blowing up a random planet in the dark dimension and argueably dying in the process himself, just to be resurrected again.
Death Seed Sentry's best feat:
Punching Thor from the stand still, while still holding back, that it shakes a planet with 19 billion residents. Prior to that he traveled many, many, many lightyears in mere moments.
Now we all know that speed / velocity increase the damage of a punch. What would happen if Death Seed Sentry was about to punch someone, while traveling at speeds vastly faster than the speed of light?This board, man... Why is it even a question, who wins between the two of those?
Even a regular Sentry, was destroying planets in the Microverse, while still holding back and we know that atoms in the Microverse have the size of planets.
On top of that we had a mental unstable and therefore weakened Sentry facing the Collective and destroying a moon in the process.
Death Seed Sentry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Breaker Hulk [/B]
This is a pretty one sided, and biased post. WB Hulk and Red She Hulk were traveling and hit each other at speeds greater than light speed, and were fine after. The idea that you feel a need to make light of one feat while placing another on a pedestal only serves to show that you are misrepresenting the feat. Then you turn around and attempt to say that they were killed in the collision while not having actually seen the death.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So you're saying Sentry flew to the planet at many times the speed of light, and then slowed down once he got there, as proven by this page:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2n8c495.jpgMakes sense. The only thing I don't understand now is the big explosion/crater. Can you shed some light on that?
Nice catch.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So you're saying Sentry flew to the planet at many times the speed of light, and then slowed down once he got there, as proven by this page:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2n8c495.jpgMakes sense. The only thing I don't understand now is the big explosion/crater. Can you shed some light on that?
Didn't look like he slowed down, but at those speeds, seems like he would have flew right through the planet. Of course we don't know the planets makeup, but still,,,.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So you're saying Sentry flew to the planet at many times the speed of light, and then slowed down once he got there, as proven by this page:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2n8c495.jpgMakes sense. The only thing I don't understand now is the big explosion/crater. Can you shed some light on that?
Well, upon impact they still had some speed behind them, which caused the explosion.
That was the Sentry's intention, since he wanted to use that exposion / crater and the leaking lava to hold Thor longer on the planet (without killing him), so that the Apocalypse Twins could go on with their plans:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/3512600-uncanny_avengers_013-007.jpg
As you can see Thor had to get rid of the lava first, before he could go on.
With all that being said, if we go by our logic, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, yet certain comic book characters do it all the time.
In the following video it is stated that Superman would cause an explosion which would equal to 45 megatons of TNT, if he was about to hit you at 99% speed of light:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI
Such a punch would obviously not be enough to cause the damage some people believe it could. There is no planetary level destruction or something like that behind such a punch.
But we know that the Sentry shook a planet with 19 billion residents by a standing punch alone and we know that he can travel at speeds much faster than the speed of light. We're talking about covering lightyears in moments right now. And we also know that he didn't phase out during that flight, since the flight physically wore Thor out and rendered him helpless.
So in a fight between Death Seed Sentry and World Breaker Hulk Sentry has the actual numbers speaking up of him.
Do I believe that he would survive the punch he threw? Judging by his durability in the UNCANNY AVENGERES comics no, he couldn't, but there was some inconsitant writing on there (like Wasp being able to harm him with her blasts physically, but Thor's lightning having no effect).
So if we give him the benefit of a doubt and assume that the Sentry can survive the damage he is capable of causing himself, then we have someone, who moves so fast that he covers hundreds of miles before someone like Wolverine can even say something ... AT LEAST! (Which is also already faster than the Hulk can deal with) ... And is capable of throwing punches at least at the speed of light (obviously no combat speed, but still traveling speed, since he has to react to his environment during such a flight) ...
... then how can we assume that the Hulk (World Breaker or not) can deal with something like that? He has a massive speed disadvantage and the Sentry's damage output is in theory absolutely ridiculous.
1. He can't tag the Sentry, because even the shockwaves coming from his attacks like Thunder claps can't cover up hundreds of miles in a heart beat, which the Sentry can.
2. He can't react to Sentry approaching him, because he simply doesn't have the reaction speed to deal with someone like that, because we've seen him failing to tag characters like Spider-Man over and over again.
3. He can't take Sentry's by-speed-empowered punches, if Sentry decides to go with hit-and-run-strategies.
Does Sentry absolutely stomp? No, because Hulk still has his generation factor, which is in theory over the top at that point, but even his healing factor can be outdamaged, like we've seen it in his fight against the Void, while he was in his Savage state. And we've also seen it in his fight against an unstable Sentry, where IN MY OPINION Hulk transformed back to Bruce Banner, because he had to exert so much gamma radiation to heal the wounds Sentry was inflicting to him.
We've also seen Zeus overloading Hulk's healing factor.
Sorry for the long text. I know that it covered up more than you even asked me, but this was just general talk to make my points clear even more why Hulk can't win this fight.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Well, upon impact they still had some speed behind them, which caused the explosion.
That was the Sentry's intention, since he wanted to use that exposion / crater and the leaking lava to hold Thor longer on the planet (without killing him), so that the Apocalypse Twins could go on with their plans:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/3512600-uncanny_avengers_013-007.jpg
As you can see Thor had to get rid of the lava first, before he could go on.
With all that being said, if we go by our logic, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, yet certain comic book characters do it all the time.
In the following video it is stated that Superman would cause an explosion which would equal to 45 megatons of TNT, if he was about to hit you at 99% speed of light:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI
Such a punch would obviously not be enough to cause the damage some people believe it could. There is no planetary level destruction or something like that behind such a punch.
But we know that the Sentry shook a planet with 19 billion residents by a standing punch alone and we know that he can travel at speeds much faster than the speed of light. We're talking about covering lightyears in moments right now. And we also know that he didn't phase out during that flight, since the flight physically wore Thor out and rendered him helpless.So in a fight between Death Seed Sentry and World Breaker Hulk Sentry has the actual numbers speaking up of him.
Do I believe that he would survive the punch he threw? Judging by his durability in the UNCANNY AVENGERES comics no, he couldn't, but there was some inconsitant writing on there (like Wasp being able to harm him with her blasts physically, but Thor's lightning having no effect).
So if we give him the benefit of a doubt and assume that the Sentry can survive the damage he is capable of causing himself, then we have someone, who moves so fast that he covers hundreds of miles before someone like Wolverine can even say something ... AT LEAST! (Which is also already faster than the Hulk can deal with) ... And is capable of throwing punches at least at the speed of light (obviously no combat speed, but still traveling speed, since he has to react to his environment during such a flight) ...
... then how can we assume that the Hulk (World Breaker or not) can deal with something like that? He has a massive speed disadvantage and the Sentry's damage output is in theory absolutely ridiculous.
1. He can't tag the Sentry, because even the shockwaves coming from his attacks like Thunder claps can't cover up hundreds of miles in a heart beat, which the Sentry can.
2. He can't react to Sentry approaching him, because he simply doesn't have the reaction speed to deal with someone like that, because we've seen him failing to tag characters like Spider-Man over and over again.
3. He can't take Sentry's by-speed-empowered punches, if Sentry decides to go with hit-and-run-strategies.
Does Sentry absolutely stomp? No, because Hulk still has his generation factor, which is in theory over the top at that point, but even his healing factor can be outdamaged, like we've seen it in his fight against the Void, while he was in his Savage state. And we've also seen it in his fight against an unstable Sentry, where IN MY OPINION Hulk transformed back to Bruce Banner, because he had to exert so much gamma radiation to heal the wounds Sentry was inflicting to him.
We've also seen Zeus overloading Hulk's healing factor.Sorry for the long text. I know that it covered up more than you even asked me, but this was just general talk to make my points clear even more why Hulk can't win this fight.
When the Hulk fought the Sentry he was not at the levels that he was at during the HOTM arc, he was holding back the entire time, which was stated on panel. His impact with Betty caused a planet that he was not even on to explode, and other planets in the distances were also affected, if not destroyed as well. You are saying that a standing punch that shook a planet is greater than what the Hulk and Betty did together? It wasn't. We actually see the Sentry straining, and get a clear estimate of just how strong he is.
The Hulk in a calm state was able to take a hit from a being capable of generating over 113 Herc's in one hit. This was explained as being what Hercules is capable of outputting at full strength in one concentrated punch. And this was a hit that he took to his internal organs! During the HOTM incident, the Hulk is written to be well above this level. You can have your opinion, but to actually prove that Death Seed Sentry is more powerful than this version of the Hulk isn't going to happen. You also leave out many things in terms of context to seemingly try to cover up your misrepresentations of the events of WW Hulk. Mainly by leaving out the fact that he was straining to hold back the power building up in him at the end of the arc. If you're going to argue against the Hulk, why not represent it properly, instead of attempting to undermine his feats, and the context surrounding them? If you don't tell the whole truth, it's all just a lie.
Originally posted by eaebiakuyayou don't need to perma-kill an opponent in order to get a forum win. example: the space-worm i mentioned earlier didn't 'kill' dentry:
Sentry wins.Even if Hulk is stronger the have no way to finish off Sentry.
Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]World Breaker Hulk's best feat:Colliding with the Red She-Hulk at full force and blowing up a random planet in the dark dimension and argueably dying in the process himself, just to be resurrected again.
Death Seed Sentry's best feat:
Punching Thor from the stand still, while still holding back, that it shakes a planet with 19 billion residents. Prior to that he traveled many, many, many lightyears in mere moments.
Now we all know that speed / velocity increase the damage of a punch. What would happen if Death Seed Sentry was about to punch someone, while traveling at speeds vastly faster than the speed of light?This board, man... Why is it even a question, who wins between the two of those?
Even a regular Sentry, was destroying planets in the Microverse, while still holding back and we know that atoms in the Microverse have the size of planets.
On top of that we had a mental unstable and therefore weakened Sentry facing the Collective and destroying a moon in the process.
Death Seed Sentry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Breaker Hulk [/B]
100% correct
Originally posted by Galan007
you don't need to perma-kill an opponent in order to get a forum win. example: the space-worm i mentioned earlier didn't 'kill' dentry:
http://i.imgur.com/JB2qEtN.jpg
it just took him out of commission for 6 issues...which is definitely long enough to constitute a forum win. 🙂
Yea...but in a forum fight we have The "No PIS" Rule.
Or you think this worm is a High Herald or trans tier being, far stronger than Thor ? Imo this was a plot device. And we cant know if Sentry just stayed there or if he just dont flyed after Thor or any other thing. Do you think the Worm KOed Sentry by impact ?
In Avengers # 21 Sentry showed up without any damage after Worm attack.
Sentry before the Celestial Seed regenerate from being exploded by Morgane Lefay and Molecule Man...
Originally posted by carver9
What has damaged Hulk for someone to think Sentry could do it. He was withstanding She Rulk punches in stride. Was still fighting while the planet was exploding. By the way, Bee girl blasted Sentry in the face and took half of it off. A punch from Hulk should outright melt him.
What does collateral damage have to do with anything?
