Originally posted by Selenial
Vaders suit is defense enough against lightning, it's insulated and only vulnerable if already breached.
I know. But if Revan's force lightning is intense enough(anyone have any feats BTW) it should be powerful enough to get past Vader's defenses and his armor.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Starkiller overloaded it, and he's not top tier.
Uh... Yes he is. Shit, the dude's lightning overloaded an AT-AT.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader was able to resist Starkiller's lightning. Starkiller just used the environment when he was going to be murderlered.
From The Force Unleashed II novel, page 256:
"Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a slpit second Starkiller's, every time. He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. He knew the measure of his former apprentice, now.
But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it."
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh.I have no issue with someone using both sides of the Force. Especially someone like Revan. Vitiate draining others is just them totally, blatantly ripping off Nihilus. It's ridiculous but at least its got a precedent.
Even when all established canon points to it as an impossibility? Abeloth is a prime example
But whatever, I still hold to it being a feat of oneness, which isn't the same thing as using both.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
From The Force Unleashed II novel, page 256:"Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a slpit second Starkiller's, every time. He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. He knew the measure of his former apprentice, now.
But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, [B]Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it
." [/B]
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader still absorbs a lot of it himself, as well. The point is, he couldn't take Vader out with his lightning alone.
Wait, that wasn't the point at all. You said Vader resisted it, and I posted an excerpt from the book that showed he didn't. BTW, he did end the fight with his lightning. Later on in the fight, he hit Vader with another blast, this time in the gash in his chest armor Juno put there. That blast allowed Starkiller to take Vader's saber and brought Vader to his knees. Fight over.
Also, Newguy01, I think you're mixing up the attack I posted with the second one later in the fight.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Wait, that wasn't the point at all. You said Vader resisted it, and I posted an excerpt from the book that showed he didn't. BTW, he did end the fight with his lightning. Later on in the fight, he hit Vader with another blast, this time in the gash in his chest armor Juno put there. That blast allowed Starkiller to take Vader's saber and brought Vader to his knees. Fight over.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The novel and the game are just as canon as each other, so saying you brought in a quote from the novel that doesn't exactly match the game doesn't necessarily make you more right. Either way, when I said resist, I didn't mean that he didn't feel it. The point is, it wasn't enough to stop let alone kill him, which is the desired outcome of a duel.
So I can post excepts from the novel, but they don't work because the game contradicts them? Ok, I'm now confused because:
Originally posted by queeq
Hehehe… games are not canon anyway.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
So I can post excepts from the novel, but they don't work because the game contradicts them? Ok, I'm now confused because:
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nope. The point is saying that Starkiller's lightning definitely does something that's not supported in all or most sources isn't necessarily true. Neither the game, the comic, or the novel can override each other.
And queeq's statement?
Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
And queeq's statement?Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
And queeq's statement?Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?
Queeq is wrong. It's game mechanics that aren't.
IE, killing people makes you stronger, or getting a power after every mission. Happens in a lot of games, but killing making you stronger is only true of the exile, as explained in a cutscene.
It's non canon that in their duel, Surik did an attack then sion did, then Surik did then sion did. Because those are game mechanics.