Superman vs Mister Fantastic with a twist

In this fight Reed has everybody powers from his team including Human Torch, Invisible Woman, & Thing. No prep the fight takes place in New York city. Can his brains and abilities coupled to the other teams abilities give him the win?

No.

Why not? He is a Super Genius

Originally posted by golem370
Why not? He is a Super Genius

What do you see his genius accomplishing with just the FF's powers and no prep? Also, which Superman?

Because it wouldn't help him. At all.

If this was 1610 reed he would win without the powers of the rest of his team

No he wouldn't. Lol.

I would see him doing something using invisibility his smarts and his durability.

Originally posted by golem370
I would see him doing something using invisibility his smarts and his durability.

Thrown into space.

Or send to the negative zone coming up with a plan on the fly.

When has Reed, without prep (and thus, without his gadgets) ever done this, on the fly?

That's like saying Superman, on the fly, sends him to the Phantom Zone.

And at least Superman has superspeed and can create his devices much MUCH faster than Reed can.

Superman still wins

Don't forget, Superman is no slouch himself when it comes to science.

Human Torch has Super speed and I would assume he could keep from him for awhile. He had no gear on his own and was able to blow a chunk of mountain out freeing Hulk Spider-Man, Captain Marvel. Iron Man, & Himself just using stuff on hand. He is when compared to Reed

Originally posted by golem370
Human Torch has Super speed and I would assume he could keep from him for awhile. He had no gear on his own and was able to blow a chunk of mountain out freeing Hulk Spider-Man, Captain Marvel. Iron Man, & Himself just using stuff on hand. He is when compared to Reed

Lol.

Yes, he used stuff. ON HAND. Which is useless here. Unless Iron Man's repulsors, Spidey's webshooters etc are standard equipment for Reed? Yeah, thought not.

Human Torch, comparable to Superman in speed??? GTFO lol (I am being gently humorous here). Do you REALLY think they are comparable??

Lol. This thread is a complete and utter spite stomp thread in favour of Superman.

Originally posted by golem370
Or send to the negative zone coming up with a plan on the fly.

So you said no prep but are giving him prep?

Originally posted by golem370
Human Torch has Super speed and I would assume he could keep from him for awhile. He had no gear on his own and was able to blow a chunk of mountain out freeing Hulk Spider-Man, Captain Marvel. Iron Man, & Himself just using stuff on hand. He is when compared to Reed

.....he had gear to work with from various others. He also had Hawkeye's trick arrows. And Human Torch's speed compared to Superman's? Either New Earth or New 52 that's.....not the smartest comparison. Which reminds me, which Superman are you using for the thread?

Pre-52. He had other peoples gears and no giving him the chance to come up with something during a fight isn't prep.

That would still make him just a lesser Super Skrull. With a really smart brain with no access to any of his tech, unless he hides enough to get to his lab.

That's the only way he's going to win.

Originally posted by golem370
Pre-52. He had other peoples gears and no giving him the chance to come up with something during a fight isn't prep.

Originally posted by golem370
Pre-52. He had other peoples gears and no giving him the chance to come up with something during a fight isn't prep.

Lol neither is Superman's.

Superman utterly crushes this guy.