Originally posted by juggerman
Hulk has never shown a significant healing factor or the ability to amp his strength the angrier he gets in the movies. Comics yes but not movies.
He did the 'anger = strength' in the 2008 flick, which is connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
But with Ruffalo's depiction of Banner being in control, he seems to be extremely strong already right at transformation.
Originally posted by Robtard
He did the 'anger = strength' in the 2008 flick, which is connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
You're right. It wasn't a dynamic shift though.
Originally posted by Robtard
But with Ruffalo's depiction of Banner being in control, he seems to be extremely strong already right at transformation.
Like comic Hulk
Originally posted by Kotor3
Well, it seems to be me that you are making the Hulk weak. What in the movies makes you feel that the Hulk’s skin can be disintegrated? As for the TK part, her strength is not infinite unlike the Hulk’s that constantly grows as he becomes more angry. She will not be able to hold the TK indefinitely and it is not like it is not going to take effort to lift the Hulk.
Do you really think Phoenix, who can levitate a house (before she even really cut loose at the end of the film) is going to have an issue levitating the Hulk?
Originally posted by Kotor3
Your scenario works if the Hulk skin can be disintegrated and frankly I see no proof especially with his healing abilities that his skin can be unless the force is powerful enough. The Phoneix I do not see powerful enough to do so.
Well, judging by what she was doing at the end of X3, I personally believe that she has more than enough power to hurt the Hulk. If Abomination's spikes can get through his skin, I believe she can.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not think me and you are going to agree on this one concerning the Phoneix. However, X-Men I agree can pull off a win with the right strategy.See comments above. Hulk was fighting flying objects in Avengers. Most of the people on that list I would say about 90% are irrelevant to the Hulk.
Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree. I also disagree that 90% of that team is going to be irrelevant.
As for a strategy: Blink opens a portal. Phoenix tk lifts Hulk so just his head is sticking through. Blink closes the portal. Hulk gets decapitated. Unless you are going to suggest that Blink won't be able to close the portal because of Hulk's neck muscles.
Originally posted by Kotor3
As for Sidious I said that Thor was the only definite win. I never said the Hulk stood no chance. In another thread I did accept that if enough force could not be applied to choke the Hulk then it would be useless.
My point is we have more than enough people on this team that equal or trumps Sidious in various areas:
Jean > Sidious in TK
Xavier & Jean > Sidious in TP
Storm > Sidious in electrical blast
Havoks energy rings were shown to cut through solid metal statues with ease ala lightsaber.
But irrelevant, because Blink + Phoenix can take out the Hulk, even if Phoenix can't pierce his skin on her own.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Johnny hopefully would not come into harms reach. But what can Johnny due to the Hulk beside piss him off? When has the Thing ever been on Hulk’s level when it comes to brute strength?Look, I can accept FF and X-Men winning. But comments like the Hulk not being able to hurt the Think, I mean that explains why you feel he would lose. We view him differently from the movies.
Johnny's supernova contained within Sue's shield is likely to at least KO him. As to Thing, I base this on the fact that nothing has actually been shown to seriously hurt him. Rock him (see what I did there), sure. But not much more than that.
Originally posted by Kotor3
No I do not. I do have the idea that the Hulk becomes stronger as he gets more angry. Abomination was stronger than the Hulk but lost to him. Why? Because when the Hulk saw his girl Betty in trouble he got angry and got stronger and was able to subdue Abomination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuvdoxSN5E
I am well aware of that scene. I have watched that film multiple times. But the way Hulk uses his anger in the 2 films is totally different. In the Incredible Hulk, all Bruce could do, in his own words, was aim the Hulk at something. He had no more control than that. Hulk was on another level in Avengers. He showed to be in control of his anger in Avengers, and as such, never got a rage induced amp in that film. So there is an argument as to whether he even could. But anyway, this is neither here nor there. Even if he does get stronger the angrier he gets, pure physical strength is not going to help him against a lot of the opponents you pitted him against.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Do you really think Phoenix, who can levitate a house (before she even really cut loose at the end of the film) is going to have an issue levitating the Hulk?Well, judging by what she was doing at the end of X3, I personally believe that she has more than enough power to hurt the Hulk. If Abomination's spikes can get through his skin, I believe she can.
Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree. I also disagree that 90% of that team is going to be irrelevant.
As for a strategy: Blink opens a portal. Phoenix tk lifts Hulk so just his head is sticking through. Blink closes the portal. Hulk gets decapitated. Unless you are going to suggest that Blink won't be able to close the portal because of Hulk's neck muscles.
My point is we have more than enough people on this team that equal or trumps Sidious in various areas:
Jean > Sidious in TK
Xavier & Jean > Sidious in TP
Storm > Sidious in electrical blast
Havoks energy rings were shown to cut through solid metal statues with ease ala lightsaber.But irrelevant, because Blink + Phoenix can take out the Hulk, even if Phoenix can't pierce his skin on her own.
Johnny's supernova contained within Sue's shield is likely to at least KO him. As to Thing, I base this on the fact that nothing has actually been shown to seriously hurt him. Rock him (see what I did there), sure. But not much more than that.
I am well aware of that scene. I have watched that film multiple times. But the way Hulk uses his anger in the 2 films is totally different. In the Incredible Hulk, all Bruce could do, in his own words, was aim the Hulk at something. He had no more control than that. Hulk was on another level in Avengers. He showed to be in control of his anger in Avengers, and as such, never got a rage induced amp in that film. So there is an argument as to whether he even could. But anyway, this is neither here nor there. Even if he does get stronger the angrier he gets, pure physical strength is not going to help him against a lot of the opponents you pitted him against.
Ok. Fair enough. I am going to make a new thread with most of the same characters but someone more powerful than the Hulk.