Originally posted by BloodRain
Why is death by poison so lulworthy when a heart disease could wreck Goku?
Because the heart disease was, according to Trunks, more powerful than a Super Saiyan. A disease more powerful than a Super Saiyan is a lot more impressive than anything in One Piece, especially a poison weaker than Luffy.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Lol no it's.. it's just a common heart disease.Regarding a "Super Saiyan" was just to highlight that no matter how strong he is, its still fatal. I believe Goku himself exclaims this much.
Uh, one that is cureless and untreatable until the era where time travel is achieved. Lol, yes, just a common heart disease.
Actually, no.
As you can see, he clearly says that "Not EVEN a Super Saiyan can beat such an illness.", and Goku says, "What a bummer... Not even senzu beans work against it?", meaning that it is, again, more impressive than anything in One Piece, considering it can overcome a Super Saiyan's biology, something nothing in that series could(unless we're talking about intelligence, maybe). I mean hell, Goku has eaten poisonous puffer fish before, and had a slight stomach ache. He's drank a gallon of poison that has a 100% kill rate, and been fine after a day or two. Not to mention that according to Trunk's statement, a Super Saiyan should be able to overcome any other heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you believe, as you can see, your recollections are clearly incorrect.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaMaster Roshi's durability is not moon level as Tao got killed by a grenade and Roshi himself said he cant beat the red ribbon army, who's strongest missile only destroyed half a hill.
Tien at this point is superior in all terms, including destructive power, to Master Roshi, who blew up the phucking moon with one shot. Not to mention his tri-beam is also superior to the kamehameha.
In durability, Roshi and Tien are only building level at most so Luffy would one-shot them
Luffy almost got killed by poison.And Goku got killed by a heart virus
If the heart virus was stronger than Goku, then the poison was also stronger than Luffy
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, one that is cureless and untreatable until the era where time travel is achieved. Lol, yes, just a common heart disease.Actually, [B]no
.As you can see, he clearly says that "Not EVEN a Super Saiyan can beat such an illness.", and Goku says, "What a bummer... Not even senzu beans work against it?", meaning that it is, again, more impressive than anything in One Piece, considering it can overcome a Super Saiyan's biology, something nothing in that series could(unless we're talking about intelligence, maybe). I mean hell, Goku has eaten poisonous puffer fish before, and had a slight stomach ache. He's drank a gallon of poison that has a 100% kill rate, and been fine after a day or two. Not to mention that according to Trunk's statement, a Super Saiyan should be able to overcome any other heart disease.
It doesn't matter what you believe, as you can see, your recollections are clearly incorrect. [/B]
No, its an illness. There is nothing to even assume that being strong stops them being ill. Better resistance? Can play that card if you like.
Bad stance. Senzu beans only cure current physical injuries. They have never been shown either healing pre-existing wounds or any kind of ailment or sickness.
Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Master Roshi's durability is not moon level as Tao got killed by a grenade and Roshi himself said he cant beat the red ribbon army, who's strongest missile only destroyed half a hill.In durability, Roshi and Tien are only building level at most so Luffy would one-shot them
And Goku got killed by a heart virus
If the heart virus was stronger than Goku, then the poison was also stronger than Luffy
Uh, Tao didn't get killed by a grenade. He got injured, as he was caught off guard somehow, and Roshi said no one could beat the red ribbon army, even Krillin said so when talking about it. This was disproven by Goku doing so with utmost casualness when not being much stronger than the two. Not to mention that if Tao was really grenade level durability, why do you think that he could re-direct a sniper bullet from miles away by throwing his shoe in the air as he was walking? Or, ya know, taking a kamehameha wave to the chest from Goku, who at that point was equal to Roshi. I mean, you might as well say that Superman is weaker than Batman, because he nearly died against him so many times. PIS and off-guard attacks don't count.
PFFFFFFFFFFTT, I can show dozens of scans with them tanking moon+ busting attacks. Not to mention that, uh, the first time Roshi used it, the Kamehameha wave blew up an entire mountain and castle. Even with considering the moon thing PIS, that's still mountain level durability for ROSHI, who Goku and Tien both SORELY surpassed at this point.
Exactly. Refer to my previous comments.
Yes. And he is also incomparably weaker to Tien. Not to mention Goku.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Lol because all illnesses are curable even now?No, its an illness. There is nothing to even assume that being strong stops them being ill. Better resistance? Can play that card if you like.
Bad stance. Senzu beans only cure current physical injuries. They have never been shown either healing pre-existing wounds or any kind of ailment or sickness.
Uh, do we have time travel now? I was making a point that you're talking about VASTLY further into the future than we will likely get in 20 years, meaning that it took what is only describable as incredibly advanced space-age medical technology, just to cure a, as you called it, "common" heart disease. lol
Uh, the assumption I'm making can come from either the fact that Trunks is specifically elaborating that he can't just go SSJ and make this disappear, but also because the disease itself IS physical. Goku has been shown to have ridiculous resistance's to poison many times before, as I've pointed out many times already.
Well, I'm sure if Goku took one soon after getting sick, he'd be able to overcome most diseases, considering the senzu beans can literally regenerate body parts. I don't think it'd be that much of a stretch for them to regenerate, and empower cells enough to fight a virus. Also, if push came to shove, I don't see why he wouldn't just have Vegeta kill him or something(which he'd be tickled to death about himself), and wish him back without the disease. It seems simple, but I guess they have to include PIS sometimes when making such ludicrously strong characters.
...what? What's the difference between us going back a few decades with our medicine to aid in things that are common? What's the difference between someone coming from a 2024 with a cure to medical issues now?
Nothing. In all three situations X goes to Y with meds for Z issue that Y has not yet been able to create a remedy for. Diabetes, mental illnesses, cancer, and of course any other CHD.. these are all common. And anything created a decade or two away with greater information is obviously going to be more advanced. And no, its not vastly above what we/they'd get. Alt.Bluma made it an unspecified time after Alt.Goku died, so that could be anything between 1 and 16 years later to be naturally created. Seems like normal progression to me.
All Trunks did was make a reference to an 'even the mighty have fallen' deal. The same way how no matter how strong a person is, a disease is what it is, regardless.
A specific effect doesn't mean it covers all areas. As said it had astounding 'at the moment' physically healing capabilities. Instant hunger and fatigue recovered, healing cuts, bruises and broken bones..But we already see the limit. It fails to bring back Tien's arm, fails to heal his or Yamcha's scars, fails to heal a Saiyans tail. So with no mention about healing anything else, as we know it's specific with limits, the fact that it's proven that it can't heal a disease speaks for the beans own power to recover. Recovering cells to peak conditions wouldn't stop the illness for lying around in the body.
Cba to check, what was the deal with the Dragon balls at the time? It's obvious that couldn't do it in the future what with there being none.. Maybe Goku thought it would be a waste to only save himself with time costly wishes, figured he'd need them prepared for any upcoming casualties..
..or PIS 😛
Originally posted by BloodRain
...what? What's the difference between us going back a few decades with our medicine to aid in things that are common? What's the difference between someone coming from a 2024 with a cure to medical issues now?Nothing. In all three situations X goes to Y with meds for Z issue that Y has not yet been able to create a remedy for. Diabetes, mental illnesses, cancer, and of course any other CHD.. these are all common. And anything created a decade or two away with greater information is obviously going to be more advanced. And no, its not vastly above what we/they'd get. Alt.Bluma made it an unspecified time after Alt.Goku died, so that could be anything between 1 and 16 years later to be naturally created. Seems like normal progression to me.
All Trunks did was make a reference to an 'even the mighty have fallen' deal. The same way how no matter how strong a person is, a disease is what it is, regardless.
A specific effect doesn't mean it covers all areas. As said it had astounding 'at the moment' physically healing capabilities. Instant hunger and fatigue recovered, healing cuts, bruises and broken bones..But we already see the limit. It fails to bring back Tien's arm, fails to heal his or Yamcha's scars, fails to heal a Saiyans tail. So with no mention about healing anything else, as we know it's specific with limits, the fact that it's proven that it can't heal a disease speaks for the beans own power to recover. Recovering cells to peak conditions wouldn't stop the illness for lying around in the body.
Cba to check, what was the deal with the Dragon balls at the time? It's obvious that couldn't do it in the future what with there being none.. Maybe Goku thought it would be a waste to only save himself with time costly wishes, figured he'd need them prepared for any upcoming casualties..
..or PIS 😛
Exactly. There is no difference. Again though, there will not be time machines in 6 years. DBZ came out quite a while ago, those 20 years are already just about up, and that's going by anime, not manga.
Trunks said even a Super Saiyan couldn't overcome it. This is clearly in relation to them being able to overcome a lot of diseases, otherwise he would have just said, "It doesn't matter how strong you are.". At this point, all you're doing is making radical assumptions of what he meant without any proof. I have proof that Goku can overcome illness/poison, and you don't. Next move's up to you.
When did senzu's fail to recover Tien's arm? They didn't have any, and he somehow just got it back in other world. The tail thing is irrelevant, as it was just Toriyama forgetting, which he explained was also why they didn't get them back in other world. Yamcha's scars were already healed. Plus they were his only redeeming quality. The beans heal your body, and cells are part of your body. For example, they would heal you of things you could overcome naturally instantly, but do nothing for a disease like Aids, other than prolong it. Either way, they still could have used the dragon balls. It. Is. PIS.
Yes, PIS. Piccolo was still alive before Goku died, remember? He died three years before the androids attacked. Meaning they could have used the dragon balls as soon as they found out he was sick, or they could have killed him, and wished him back, like they did to all of Earth.
Show me evidence that being a super saiyan means they can resist illnesses better than normal, more so that it can fight a disease. You won't be able to, but do try. Find or concede.
Has it? They both have had the beans, or at the very least the chance to have them.. so why haven't they been healed? Because they can't heal it. That last point just confirms that it can't heal something that can't be healed naturally.. or whatever point that was meant to be. The fact is that the beans can't heal pre existing wounds nd they can't heal ailments. The manga says this much and nothing proves otherwise.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta Uh, Tao didn't get killed by a grenade. He got injured, as he was caught off guard somehowSo?
The grenade destroyed all of his body, which means anything thats grenade level can one-shot Tao
Roshi said no one could beat the red ribbon army, even Krillin said so when talking about it.And the RRA's strongest missile could only destroy half a hill...
PIS and off-guard attacks don't count.Then I can use the same argument against you and say Roshi's moon buster was PIS.
So stop using double standards.
PFFFFFFFFFFTT, I can show dozens of scans with them tanking moon+ busting attacks. Not to mention that, uh, the first time Roshi used it, the Kamehameha wave blew up an entire mountain and castle. Even with considering the moon thing PIS, that's still mountain level durability for ROSHI, who Goku and Tien both SORELY surpassed at this point.How does him destroying something with a KHH give him that level of durability?
Do you realise that DC and durability are two different things? Or are you purposely trolling?
Exactly. Refer to my previous comments.mountain level durability for ROSHI mountain level durability for ROSHI [/quote]Keeping the mountain level durability for Roshi aside, even pre timeskip Franky tanked a mountain level attack (that destroyed Vegapunk's lab).Yes. And he is also incomparably weaker to Tien. Not to mention Goku. [/B]
Current Luffy >>>>> PTS Luffy >>> PTS Franky = mountain level.
So yep. Tien is far outclassed and gets one-shotted by a single Elephant gun.