Malaysian Airlines Passenger Jet Crashes In Ukraine

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/report-malaysian-jet-crashes-near-ukraine-2014717151147473508.html

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, according to officials.

The Boeing 777, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was brought down by a buk ground-to-air missle, Ukrainian interior ministry adviser Anton Herashchenko wrote on his Facebook page. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko denied his armed forces were involved in the downing of the airliner. "Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets," Poroshenko said.

Malaysian Airlines confirmed it had lost contact with flight MH17 from Amsterdam, saying plane was carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew onboard. "Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border. "Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day.

A flight tracking website showed that one flight path interrupted in Ukraine. The Interfax news agency said the plane came down 50km short of entering Russian airspace. The plane appeared to have come down in a region of military action where Ukrainian government forces are battling pro-Russian separatists. A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk.

Al Jazeera's Rory Challands, reporting from Moscow, said the plane fell in an area controlled by pro-Russian separatists. "The investigation would be very difficult given that it's controlled by the rebels," he said. "Ukrainian officials are saying that many children were dead. Some are saying that all died. Reuters is reporting body parts were found at the scene. It seems that it was a very gruesome scene."

Airplane manufacturer Boeing released a statement of sympathy to those affected by the crash. "Our thoughts and prayers are with those on board the Malaysia Airlines airplane lost over Ukrainian airspace, as well as their families and loved ones. Boeing stands ready to provide whatever assistance is requested by authorities," the statement read.

What will be the consequences if pro-Russian separatists, or worse, the Russian government itself, are revealed to be responsible?

Originally posted by Lestov16
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What will be the consequences if pro-Russian separatists, or worse, the Russian government itself, are revealed to be responsible?

What were the consequences when the Russians shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983?

I have to say this is sad and have to say two Australians who died worked at the school l work at And have to say we have had teachers and students upset by this the teachers name was Frankie and her husband Liam l work in the catering part of the school and have to say l knew these two personly but l associated and had conversations with both There will be a memorial service where teachers students can attend I know we hear of these things happening but you don't expect it to be two wonderful people Frankie was a teacher at the school for 20yrs her husband liam was a teacher at a local Rage teaching writing and was a arthor and has two books out Also they had two children 23 and 26 and they went overseas to cost there son and there daughter was there too

They had booked the plane but could only book two tickets so the daughter decided to take a earlier flight she was waiting for mum and dad to arrive in aus and well we all know what happened But have to say out of 37 aus I was shocked to know that we lost two beautiful people we have a church at the school and it was covered inside with flowers and there was a condonese book where everyone put down beautiful things Umm it is just so sad RIP Frankie and Liam you will be missed

What were the consequences of the US shooting down that one plane back in the 70s or 80s that I don't remember the country or decade of?

Originally posted by Bella 101
I have to say this is sad and have to say two Australians who died worked at the school l work at And have to say we have had teachers and students upset by this the teachers name was Frankie and her husband Liam l work in the catering part of the school and have to say l knew these two personly but l associated and had conversations with both There will be a memorial service where teachers students can attend I know we hear of these things happening but you don't expect it to be two wonderful people Frankie was a teacher at the school for 20yrs her husband liam was a teacher at a local Rage teaching writing and was a arthor and has two books out Also they had two children 23 and 26 and they went overseas to cost there son and there daughter was there too

Never forget that these people did not merely die; they were murdered.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
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What will be the consequences if pro-Russian separatists, or worse, the Russian government itself, are revealed to be responsible?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
What were the consequences when the Russians shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983?

Yeah, really. This is why I have always said (to some varying degrees of agreement or hatred, that Germany should have won WW2, because Stalin and his little puppet govt's would have been a memory.

Korea, Vietnam, The Cuban Missile Crisis, Pol Pot's Killing Fields, the arming of several Middle Eastern states (most notably Lybia and Syria, which still has Cold War era Soviet bases. Egypt in the 60's was almost the stage for the Suez Canal and in the 70's the second stab at WW3 (withthe Cuban Missile crisis being the first.)

ALL of these were Soviet-engineered.

I wouldn't say it's the exact same thing. 007 was in restricted Soviet airspace so they kinda sorta have that excuse. This is more or less a state-sponsored terrorist attack.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I wouldn't say it's the exact same thing. 007 was in restricted Soviet airspace so they kinda sorta have that excuse. This is more or less a state-sponsored terrorist attack.

Right, but the effects will probably be similar. One helped to foster anti-Soviet sentiments, the other will foster anti-Russian(or, hopefully, anti-Putin) sentiments.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
I wouldn't say it's the exact same thing. 007 was in restricted Soviet airspace so they kinda sorta have that excuse. This is more or less a state-sponsored terrorist attack.

And if it were a Soviet aircraft in someone else's restricted airspace, we'd hear that it was "an act of aggression" and we'd never hear the end of it.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Right, but the effects will probably be similar. One helped to foster anti-Soviet sentiments, the other will foster anti-Russian(or, hopefully, anti-Putin) sentiments.

Very true. As I said earlier, any credibility the Russians may have had is finished, kaput. No doubt this will leave the door open for a case of one upmanship until there's an outright war. No doubt both sides are planning their next moves.

It's just sad that a group of innocent passengers had to be the pawns in someone's twisted game.

its a very sadness news. I feel sad for all those. God give peace to his soul

3 convicted in 2014 downing of Malaysian jet over Ukraine

A Dutch court on Thursday convicted three men of murder for their role in shooting down a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet with a Russian surface-to-air missile, killing all 298 people aboard the aircraft as it flew over a separatist-controlled region of eastern Ukraine in 2014.

The convictions, along with the life sentences handed to the two Russians and a pro-Moscow Ukrainian who were tried in absentia, were seen as directing the blame for the jet’s downing at the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin, even though the Kremlin has always denied any connection to it.

The trial, held in a courtroom near Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport where Flight MH17 took off for Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, put the Kremlin’s involvement in the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine at the heart of the case. -snip

A small measure of justice for the families of the 298 victims.