World War?
Could this latest incident lead us to another World War started in Europe?
World War?
Could this latest incident lead us to another World War started in Europe?
Re: World War?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Could this latest incident lead us to another World War started in Europe?
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.
Other countries who were influenced by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support.
Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought..
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Some might argue It began on November 4, 1979.
The Iranian hostage crisis. I was around 15 when that happened. One of the hostages positively identified "Ahme-nutjob" as one of the hijackers. The same "Ahme-nutjob" that everyone at the U.N. walks out on when he starts his ranting at the General Assembly meetings.
Originally posted by Epicurus
In today's day and age, with at least 7 nations having nuclear arsenals and a number of others having the capability to build them, a world war is extremely unfeasible. Likely won't happen.
World War is inevitable, regardless if we use the Nukes or not. Nukes only ensure MAD stance.
Re: Re: World War?
Originally posted by Fallschirmjäger
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.Other countries who were [B]influenced
by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support.Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought.. [/B]
I agree with this but the outcome was not what was on the agenda for Germany to win. I would gladly accept socialism over communism but considering most of Europe seems socialist these days anyways, sounds like the victory was complete, but Russia got to keep their country and be separated from the EU.
This event reminds me a lot of the cause of the first world wear with the sinking of the Lusitania.
In the past 6,000 years or so of human civilization, there's only been something like 240 years of peace. Humans have been in a state of near-constant warfare since forever. That we managed to get through 40+ years of the Cold War with only proxy wars and not a single of the then 50,000+ nukes dropped on another state, I think that the current set of crises is hardly much of an indicator of all "world war." Every generation thinks their time is THE time. The time for big change, revolution, war, etc. Frankly, as much I don't want to underplay the conflicts of the various people who are engaged in conflict to genuinely seek change and/or peace, there's just not much of it right now, all things considered.
The world's nations are too tightly interwoven in economics for war between them to be worthwhile and profitable. It's all about proxy wars these days, supporting various factions in weaker countries that are fighting between themselves. Or invading third-tier powers on floppy pretexts.
World war isn't good for business anymore. Skirmishes, baby. That's where the cheddah is.
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Originally posted by Fallschirmjäger
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.Other countries who were influenced by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support. Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought..
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I agree with this but the outcome was not what was on the agenda for Germany to win. I would gladly accept socialism over communism but considering most of Europe seems socialist these days anyways, sounds like the victory was complete, but Russia got to keep their country and be separated from the EU.This event reminds me a lot of the cause of the first world wear with the sinking of the Lusitania.
With regards to the starting of the First World War, the biggest flash in the pan was the assassination of Austro-Hungarian arch-duke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, princess Sophie of Hohenberg. A young Serbian teen by the name of Gavrilo Principe murdered the two at point blank range, and Austria's old ally Germany jumped in to help when Austro-Hungary went to war with Serbia.
You're right though, Germany has won in a few different ways, Europe is Socialist, and Germany has a huge economy that the other countries would only hope to have.
It's like my great-grandfather told me about WW2 Germany. They had a saying: "Arbeiten wir für unser Brot" which means "we work for our bread." It seems Germans are still working for, and earning their bread admirably. Very cool! 🙂
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
In the past 6,000 years or so of human civilization, there's only been something like 240 years of peace. Humans have been in a state of near-constant warfare since forever. That we managed to get through 40+ years of the Cold War with only proxy wars and not a single of the then 50,000+ nukes dropped on another state, I think that the current set of crises is hardly much of an indicator of all "world war." Every generation thinks their time is THE time. The time for big change, revolution, war, etc. Frankly, as much I don't want to underplay the conflicts of the various people who are engaged in conflict to genuinely seek change and/or peace, there's just not much of it right now, all things considered.The world's nations are too tightly interwoven in economics for war between them to be worthwhile and profitable. It's all about proxy wars these days, supporting various factions in weaker countries that are fighting between themselves. Or invading third-tier powers on floppy pretexts.
World war isn't good for business anymore. Skirmishes, baby. That's where the cheddah is.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
World War is inevitable, regardless if we use the Nukes or not. Nukes only ensure MAD stance.
Vacuum Bombs have the yield of low end nukes without the shitty side effects of fallout and radiation.
Basically, Nukes being a MAD argument no longer works because we have advanced enough that we don't even need to use fissile materials to get big booms.
Re: Re: World War?
Originally posted by Fallschirmjäger
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.Other countries who were [B]influenced
by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support.Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought.. [/B]
I rather have a socialist or communist block in the world than a fascist block.
We are better off now.
Originally posted by FallschirmjägerIf USA and UK havent SOLD us OUT to Stalin, there would be no cold war as well 😬
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.Other countries who were [B]influenced
by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support.Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought.. [/B]
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Originally posted by Fallschirmjäger
Probably not the best thing to say, but if Germany had defeated
the Russians in WW2, maybe this incident (and the entire spread of post WW2 Communism) might not have happened, at least not on Soviet terms. I say "not on Soviet terms" because Russia wouldn't be Communist.Other countries who were influenced by Communism might have reared their heads, but wouldn't last that long due to mainland Russia no longer being their supplier for weapons and political and logistical support.
Would a WW2 German victory in the Soviet Union have rid the world of true Communism? And would we be looking at the possibility of a new World War at the hands of our old enemies? Just a thought..
Originally posted by Clovie
If USA and UK havent SOLD us OUT to Stalin, there would be no cold war as well 😬
Very good my friend. Someone who did their homework. Yalta conference was a sham. Not to mention FDR allowing 11 Billion in aid to stop Germany. FDR would grandstand about Stalin and then he gave him American taxpayer money..
If Hitler had been killed and replaced with more moderate leadership, we might not have even needed a Yalta conference except for the possible division of Russia, half German, half Allied to prevent the return of Communism much in the way Germany was split after WW2. Some interesting thoughts there.
http://itwasntagame.com/ < watch it
And it's hard not to notice when you live in a country "behind the iron curtain" 😬