Originally posted by InhumanWell..Gotham is supposedly the murder capital of the United States in DC Universe.
On another note: i have always thought that Batmans "methods" have a lot to do as to why Gotham is full of crime and psychopaths.If you had a guy like Punisher move into Gotham, I can see Crime going down considerably. I would feel safer in a city with Punisher around than with batman TBO.
Originally posted by Reshiram
Well..Gotham is supposedly the murder capital of the United States in DC Universe.
Right, because batman basically just puts psychopaths in a "time out" basically" until they are out again terrorizing Gotham. rinse repeat.
Dont know how Batman instilling fear in his foes has lasted for so long. After a while they will know they have no fear of losing their lives against him.
Punisher on the other hand would instill a different type of fear. Criminals would think twice about committing a crime because they would get their damn heads blown off.
Originally posted by InhumanWell...it'd be pretty foolhardy to deny Punisher's methods are more...effective.... although I think it'd be pretty silly to see the GCPD out of a job if Batman went on a mass killing spree.
Right, because batman basically just puts psychopaths in a "time out" basically" until they are out again terrorizing Gotham. rinse repeat.Dont know how Batman instilling fear in his foes has lasted for so long. After a while they will know they have no fear of losing their lives against him.
Punisher on the other hand would instill a different type of fear. Criminals would think twice about committing a crime because they would get their damn heads blown off.
I agree with you though, Gotham is the last place I'd want to live, even if Batman is patrolling 8-10 hours every night I wouldn't take the chance.
Originally posted by Reshiram
Well...it'd be pretty foolhardy to deny Punisher's methods are more...effective.... although I think it'd be pretty silly to see the GCPD out of a job if Batman went on a mass killing spree.
I think if i was a psychopath villain i would love to live in Gotham because i can basically have a playmate in batman that i can have fun with mind games and such , causing chaos and terrorizing the city and be locked up for a bit till im free to do it all again
Originally posted by InhumanI wouldn't. I might not get killed but I wouldn't be too fond of regularly getting beaten into contraction.
I think if i was a psychopath villain i would love to live in Gotham because i can basically have a playmate in batman that i can have fun with mind games and such , causing chaos and terrorizing the city and be locked up for a bit till im free to do it all again
Originally posted by Reshiram
Above Cap's mental fortitude, but feel free to post some feats.
Not sure if you will answer this, but when you speak of mental fortitude, are you speaking of Batman's ability to remain calm, cool and collected? I need to point out that batman is far more eager to pop someone in the mouth when they get out of line than Captain America is. Steve never had the billions of dollars to lean on, which in and of itself means that he may have dealt with more hardships in total, and therefore has been tempered by this. How many times has Batman just hauled off, and punched out a team mate, compared to Captain America? Not killing the Joker is what makes him a hero. The same can be said of Captain America, Daredevil, and many other characters that will not willingly cross the line.
Originally posted by StoicI'm speaking about how much a character can take mentally and emotionally before they snap or in the case of this thread, fall to corruption. In this case Batman has Captain America beaten by a land slide.
Not sure if you will answer this, but when you speak of mental fortitude, are you speaking of Batman's ability to remain calm, cool and collected? I need to point out that batman is far more eager to pop someone in the mouth when they get out of line than Captain America is. Steve never had the billions of dollars to lean on, which in and of itself means that he may have dealt with more hardships in total, and therefore has been tempered by this. How many times has Batman just hauled off, and punched out a team mate, compared to Captain America? Not killing the Joker is what makes him a hero. The same can be said of Captain America, Daredevil, and many other characters that will not willingly cross the line.
Having billions of dollars didn't stop Bruce from witnessing his parents get iced in front of him, it didn't stop Joker from crippling Barbara or killing Jason. The only noticeable hardship Cap had was his partner dying and it didn't affect him nearly as much as Jason's death did to Bruce.
The problem with your last sentence is that Cap has crossed the line, he was in WW2 ffs and by profession a killer. Yeah Cap isn't Punisher and will probably avoid killing his opponents if he could but isn't above doing so.
Meanwhile
Batman could of killed Alexander Luthor if he wanted to but didn't even though this guy was a threat to the universe and was directly responsible for the death of numerous heroes including Superboy.
I'm sure there is a theoretical point to where Batman will cross the line and kill someone but his threshold is magnitudes above Cap's.
This is a tough one. However, people seem to forget that everything about Captain America embodies willpower IMO
Scrawny, poor kid who bravely and selflessly tries to enter the army. Too sickly, so what does he do? Volunteer for an untested experiment that will mutate him. That is will power
Civil War.
This guy is the symbol of America and he has the willpower to become what is known as a criminal, hide underground, and fight for what is right. even then he has the willpower and strength of character to turn himself in to Shield because he thinks he's wrong.
Dude could have killed Baron Zemo for "killing bucky".
The list can go on forever but i won't bunch up too much right now
Originally posted by RaisenFor someone who's suppose to be an embodiment of willpower, that's the saddest list of feats I've ever seen.
This is a tough one. However, people seem to forget that everything about Captain America embodies willpower IMOScrawny, poor kid who bravely and selflessly tries to enter the army. Too sickly, so what does he do? Volunteer for an untested experiment that will mutate him. That is will power
Civil War.
This guy is the symbol of America and he has the willpower to become what is known as a criminal, hide underground, and fight for what is right. even then he has the willpower and strength of character to turn himself in to Shield because he thinks he's wrong.Dude could have killed Baron Zemo for "killing bucky".
The list can go on forever but i won't bunch up too much right now
Originally posted by Reshiram
For someone who's suppose to be an embodiment of willpower, that's the saddest list of feats I've ever seen.
i've got more coming. that just came off the top of my head. cap embodies willpower, no doubt. call it PIS, but half his battles are against people leagues above him; this is simply a testament to his character. Rhino, Hulk, terrax, absorbing man, and yes.....he punked classic molecule man(i know, i know)
i'm not much of a debater, so if you're going with batman i'm not the guy to change your mind. cap, imo, is designed to be marvel's testament to will power and character, akin to superman.
Originally posted by RaisenNo worries, neither am I and I try not to take it seriously, but for the record DC's testament to willpower is Hal Jordan and not Superman
i've got more coming. that just came off the top of my head. cap embodies willpower, no doubt. call it PIS, but half his battles are against people leagues above him; this is simply a testament to his character. Rhino, Hulk, terrax, absorbing man, and yes.....he punked classic molecule man(i know, i know)[B]i'm not much of a debater,
, so if you're going with batman i'm not the guy to change your mind. cap, imo, is designed to be marvel's testament to will power and character, akin to superman. [/B]