Strength Ratings

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know all that, but that wasn't even my point.

My point was that Superman also wasn't sundipped during the fifth day of his Earth-bench-pressing-adventure.
Also him not being sundipped is the benefit of a doubt for him delivering a blow that could topple a small mountain, where he wasn't partially exhausted would have toppled regular mountains =P

But in the end of the day even Spider-Man beating Firelord has more credibility, because even though it was an absolutely WISy moment, it was there for the sake of the plot, just like many other things that happen, even though they shouldn't.
Superman on the other hand did something stupid and it did nothing for the plot. Pureee hyperbole. Just like Spider-Man he never backed that up again and it never shows during his fights.

It's a flaw in the code that even though I have Raj on ignore, I still can read his utter nonsense, when others quote him.

You realize that doesnt mean you have to answer him though, right?
I think you'd get a little less flak if you either just took people off ignore, since you still frikkin' answer them, or actually ignored them.
Just saying.

Originally posted by riv6672
[b]It's a flaw in the code that even though I have Raj on ignore, I still can read his utter nonsense, when others quote him.

You realize that doesnt mean you have to answer him though, right?
I think you'd get a little less flak if you either just took people off ignore, since you still frikkin' answer them, or actually ignored them.
Just saying. [/B]

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know all that, but that wasn't even my point.

My point was that Superman also wasn't sundipped during the fifth day of his Earth-bench-pressing-adventure.
Also him not being sundipped is the benefit of a doubt for him delivering a blow that could topple a small mountain, where he wasn't partially exhausted would have toppled regular mountains =P

But in the end of the day even Spider-Man beating Firelord has more credibility, because even though it was an absolutely WISy moment, it was there for the sake of the plot, just like many other things that happen, even though they shouldn't.
Superman on the other hand did something stupid and it did nothing for the plot. Pureee hyperbole. Just like Spider-Man he never backed that up again and it never shows during his fights.

He did the feat and it had it's purpose. He tested himself and his limits because he faced an opponent who was superior to his current sate, Hellspont, and was defeated. He needed to find out how powerful he really is without endangering other beings, for the wellbeing of the people. He still needs to hold back else he can kill. And he showed this strength again when he cut loose and ripped a heraldbeing in half with pure strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I ignore no one. I face all comers.

Make a list.

Show us your knowledge.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I ignore no one. I face all cumers.

We know

Next personal attack gets warned. Maybe even banned if Bada's in a bad enough mood.

👆 got it

Originally posted by Enzeru
It's a flaw in the code that even though I have Raj on ignore, I still can read his utter nonsense, when others quote him.

To take care of Raj's butthurt and denial:
http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SvFL

Feel free to show my anything other than the infamous WIS moment, that validates Superman having planetary level strength.

However I will take Superman's showings in the same issue apart:

Here we have Superman taking on a big ass dragon. He says that he he has to end it fast and that he takes no chances. He strikes with a blow, that can topple a small mountain:
http://i.imgur.com/MB2LH.jpg

Here Superman can't break free from the grip of the dragon:
http://i.imgur.com/evrsp.jpg

Now here is my problem with the entire story:
Superman was benchpressing the planet for 5 days straight without any exposure to sunlight (which as I always tend to say is absolutely ridiculous and pathetic in itself, because I personally used to respect Superman for what he was and not for what he lifts, but it looks like things have changed in the new 52).
So Superman must have casually been doing it and stopped at one point. Then he went after a short sundipped. I get that he was exhausted, but judging by other context in stories he wasn't THAT exhausted anymore. So even during day 3 or day 4 he must have had planetary level strength. Even on day 5, but he still couldn't break free from the dragon, even though he went into space for a sundip and he was on Earth for a while, passivly getting solar radiation.

Does this now mean that the Snake has planetary level strength as well?
Does this now also mean that Superman, who is ALWAYS casually capable of benchpressing the Earth only faces opponents, who are capable of doing the same (Wonder Woman, Orion, Shazam, AQUAMAN FFS)?

"But Enzeru, he holds back on them."
But idiot, while he holds back he is passivly causing millions of property damage and endangering the lives of innocents.

On top of all that Superman's punching capability is pathetic. Above in the post you could see the narration stating that his punch can destroy a small mountain. And context tells us that he is not holding back.

Here we have Superman stating that he can destroy mountains with his bare fists and reffers to it as a physical challenge:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114397
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Here he once again doesn't hold back and the narration tells us that he could destroy mountains with it:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913208-superman__17___page_9.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116419/3061211-the+true+power+of+superman+%28part+2%29.jpg

AND I'M NOT EVEN LOWBALLING! These are some of Superman's best feats! He has portrayed one ridiculous feat of strength, which didn't serve any purpose to the plot. It was just plain, old hyperbole.
During all of his encounters he has failed to portray such strength. First of all you would expect someone with planetary level strength to dish out more damage by default, but Superman can't do it. Grab onto your seats, DC fanboys, but Superman can't destroy the planet by punching it... SHOCKING, RIGHT?!

In all of the fights Superman was in, he could have used his planetary level strength to simply overwhelm his opponents and choke them out, since if we go by that ONE HYPERBOLIC, PURPOSELESS FEAT, then he is stronger, than he is capable of dishing out damage. That would have saved him from a lot of trouble.
But then if we look at all of his other strength feats (including the one I posted, where he says that he can lift city blocks and referrs to that as a physical challenge as well), then his striking ends up looking better than his overall strength feats, which seems to be the reason why he ends up punching his opponents.

Yes, I don't believe that DCnU Superman can keep up with Thor, when it comes to strength, simply because he hasn't been established yet. He needs more comical, over the top feats, which fit into the story. Right now DCnU characters are vastly below Marvel power houses (who kept their stupidly high feats throughout the decades).
It has nothing to do with me being a Marvel fan and biased towards their characters. I'm biased as in me wanting to see studios making more Marvel movies, or having more success with their comics. When it comes to feats I'm as neutral as it gets and try to look at the context.

Oh and for the record:
When it comes to striking I would even argue that pre DCnU Superman couldn't really keep up with some of the Marvel characters. For example Gladiator, who I have on the same strength level as Superman in this thread (while being at full confidence) seems to have much better striking than Superman, since he was capable of destroying a planet by simply punching it, while Superman and Supergirl and others had to gather momentum by flying at the speed of light in order to destroy planets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So Superman actually pushed Warworld into the phantom zone portal?

That's a pluto sized planet Superman pushed away just after he got a severe beating from Batman due to kryptonite. Not bad Pak, not bad at all.

And its stated again that merely the spores from Doomsday would've killed anyone on the planet including wonder woman. Superman just inhaled them.

Or batman saying he can punch the moon into dust.

Or a weakened superman stated to be able to crack the hemisphere in half.

Or Red Hood saying that he can dropkick the moon out of orbit.

Superman saying he can topple mountains or narration saying so doesn't negates his feats just because you don't like them. You can respect Superman or not, it matter nothing. You don't get to dismiss Superman's feats. Simple as that.

God...didn't like 5 people debunk that Pluto pushing ft? I don't understand you, I really dont.

Originally posted by catver9
God...didn't like 5 people debunk that Pluto pushing ft? I don't understand you, I really dont.

There's much Kitty-Cat fails to understand.

I know you and ABHI are great friends but I don't think you understand what's going on tbh or you probably do, you're just defending your greatest friend ever. I know one thing, he is dead wrong for posting that scan.

How is it debunked when the comic and the writer both share the same opinion?

Originally posted by catver9
I know you and ABHI are great friends but I don't think you understand what's going on tbh or you probably do, you're just defending your greatest friend ever. I know one thing, he is dead wrong for posting that scan.

I'm talking about you in general. Not defending Abhi. Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you're flat-out wrong here too.

And since I have your attention again, what happened to you in the Superman vs Wonder Woman thread? Or are you gonna go zeta male on me again?

Oh, and your new name is Smelly Cat.

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Originally posted by carver9
God...didn't like 5 people debunk that Pluto pushing ft? I don't understand you, I really dont.

Originally posted by -Pr-
How is it debunked when the comic and the writer both share the same opinion?

The writer said he couldn't remember and there was a lot of context during that scene. A LOT of it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The writer said he pushed Pluto though.

The writer was unsure.

lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
How is it debunked when the comic and the writer both share the same opinion?

Ya know, the more I think about it, the more this shows just how delusional carter is in doing whatever he can to say "Hulk is better." Unless he can prove that Pak didn't actually say that, he had no problem jumping to his knees and deepthroating Pak when Kitty-Cat made a big deal out of Pak saying "World War Hulk would beat Galactus" or some shit like that, but, assuming that is Pak, we get Pak backing an on-panel feat, not just making some wankery statement that wasn't in a comic, and carter flat-out ignores it.

But then, he did make a big deal to me about ignoring lip service but using stuff that establishes context for a scene, 'cuz he can't see the difference. Not to mention ignoring that it was not the only thing I used to make my argument.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Ya know, the more I think about it, the more this shows just how delusional carter is in doing whatever he can to say "Hulk is better." Unless he can prove that Pak didn't actually say that, he had no problem jumping to his knees and deepthroating Pak when Kitty-Cat made a big deal out of Pak saying "World War Hulk would beat Galactus" or some shit like that, but, assuming that is Pak, we get Pak backing an on-panel feat, not just making some wankery statement that wasn't in a comic, and carter flat-out ignores it.

But then, he did make a big deal to me about ignoring lip service but using stuff that establishes context for a scene, 'cuz he can't see the difference. Not to mention ignoring that it was not the only thing I used to make my argument.

Pak was unsure and Pak also said Hulk could destroy a Galaxy with his fist. He also said nothing short of Galactus could beat WWH. So I'm guessing he thinks WBH would stomp Galactus. You don't see me sprouting that across r he forum. Don't know why you said I preach off writers comments.