Goku vs Demon Eyes Kyo

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Can you not see the scan?

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/100/285.0/compressed/sdk_285_04.jpg

Chinmei was causally dodging and outrunning the lightning bolts that were being summoned by Sasuke

The Mach 270 comes from the kaioken x3 multiplier (3x Mach 90). Vegeta only kept up with kaioken x2 Goku so he should just be Mach 180+

Mach 260+ vs Mach 180+ is still in SDK's favor.

Gravity manipulation does affect DBZ characters a lot.

Goku at the beginning of Z struggled to even stand on 10 times gravity, and Saiyan saga Goku struggles with 50 times gravity.

We can also see that by simply wearing 100 kg weights, Goku and Piccolo's power gets decreased multiple folds.

Besides, that's not even needed. All one needs is a body switch to beat SS Goku/Vegeta (like the one Ginyu had), and both Kyoshiro and FCK are capable of it.

Huh, nice use of bias, but if that's automatically assumable as lightning speed, because of the look of an attack, or it's name, then Tien+ characters are still light speed because of light speed fist, so they still win casually. Mach 903,615 vs. Mach 300, DBZ still wins, lol. Or you could stop acting like a retard, and we could stop using attack names, like five year olds.

So where the hell did you get Mach 90? Even Piccolo was able to react to and fight with near light speed beams, and Goku is vastly above that.

Goku wasn't used to increased gravity. It makes sense, because he got used to it really quick. Not to mention that he was training for hours on end at 100 times gravity while flying to Namek.

And? Body switch won't do much, if they can't even catch him with it because of his vastly superior speed. I'm assuming they can't just switch with him instantly, or without using some kind of link, but if so, his body still can't be used properly by people trying to do that, in which case he can still use theirs just fine.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]Huh, nice use of bias, but if that's automatically assumable as lightning speed, because of the look of an attack, or it's name, then Tien+ characters are still light speed because of light speed fist, so they still win casually. Mach 903,615 vs. Mach 300, DBZ still wins, lol. Or you could stop acting like a retard, and we could stop using attack names, like five year olds.

You are the one who needs to stop using attack names. The lightning feat has no name, it was an on panel feat.

So where the hell did you get Mach 90? Even Piccolo was able to react to and fight with near light speed beams, and Goku is vastly above that.

Goku takes days to cross snakeway , and this was given a time as well as a distance.

Goku wasn't used to increased gravity. It makes sense, because he got used to it really quick. Not to mention that he was training for hours on end at 100 times gravity while flying to Namek.

And? Body switch won't do much, if they can't even catch him with it because of his vastly superior speed. I'm assuming they can't just switch with him instantly, or without using some kind of link, but if so, his body still can't be used properly by people trying to do that, in which case he can still use theirs just fine.

Goku didnt know how to use Ginyu's body when he got switched.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]lol, says the person claiming Gremmy is a multiversal god, when he got killed by a high-balled country level buster.

If you take me dubbing you ignorant, based on your clear bias and fabrication of falsities to seem correct, as a concession, then by all means. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

The way you keep crying in every single thread shows you're butthurt

Atleast learn to respect others opinion

PPPPPPPPFFFFTTT, Piccolo can react to near light speed attacks, that reach the moon in a second.

Vegeta fought on par with Goku, who was able to travel dozens of kilometers and land several combo's in the time it takes for your heart to beat.

Crossing even 20 km in 0.5 seconds is only Mach 120.

You just shot yourself in the foot by bringing up this feat lmao.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Can you not see the scan?

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/100/285.0/compressed/sdk_285_04.jpg

Chinmei was causally dodging and outrunning the lightning bolts that were being summoned by Sasuke

All I saw was "damn he's fast" which isn't evidence

Unless you want to say Iron Man is FTL because Sentry said "Damn he's fast" in regards to Iron Man

Also reacting to a projectile doesn't give you it's level of speed

The Mach 270 comes from the kaioken x3 multiplier (3x Mach 90). Vegeta only kept up with kaioken x2 Goku so he should just be Mach 180+

Mach 260+ vs Mach 180+ is still in SDK's favor.

Refer to "reacting to x=/=as fast as x" point earlier

Gravity manipulation does affect DBZ characters a lot.

Goku at the beginning of Z struggled to even stand on 10 times gravity, and Saiyan saga Goku struggles with 50 times gravity.

We can also see that by simply wearing 100 kg weights, Goku and Piccolo's power gets decreased multiple folds.

Low end showings are not valid evidence in vs debates

Even pre 21st Budoukai Goku was leaping into the upper stratosphere with leg strength

Besides, that's not even needed. All one needs is a body switch to beat SS Goku/Vegeta (like the one Ginyu had), and both Kyoshiro and FCK are capable of it.

Also, technically, it wouldn't really do anything of good, since they'd then just kill the new hosts and all

Also, while I don't advocate the "Tien lightspeed" shit as anything but an outlier

At least that's based on a feat rather than hyperbole

Lol names of attacks as definitive proof?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
All I saw was "damn he's fast" which isn't evidence

Unless you want to say Iron Man is FTL because Sentry said "Damn he's fast" in regards to Iron Man

Also reacting to a projectile doesn't give you it's level of speed

Originally posted by BloodRain
[B]Lol names of attacks as definitive proof?

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
That was a bolt of lightning Sasuke summoned from the sky. Chinmei outran it from up close

Sasuke later even gave up on summoning lightning bolts to attack him since they were way too slow.

If he summoned them from the sky, it obviously wasn't point blank dodging now was it?

That was a bolt of lightning Sasuke summoned from the sky. Chinmei outran it from up close

[B]He did it from point blank[B], so his combat/reaction speed scales to that level.

Make up your damn mind

How is it a low end showing?

Because DBZ physical feats are massively above the point where 10g would be anything resembling a threat as early as pre 21st Budoukai

Resistance to gravity =/= physical durability.

Are you on drugs? If so, were can I get some? Seriously, gravity has energy and does not ignore durability as such

It just proves BoZ Goku can be affected by gravity as low as 10G

And gravity doesn't affect leg strength alone. Even your brain and your heart including every single cell in your body would be affected by it.

Blah blah "gravity is magical", "DBZ split durability" bullshit

Yea who cares, I fail to see how you can overlook the fact that increased gravity is pithy compared to what DBZ chars have survived

It is a low end outlier. That is all

Why would they kill the new hosts?

They can kill either themselves or the opponent after switching to a stronger body.

If Ginyu swaps bodies with Goku, he can use Goku's body any way he likes.

Even if they body swap, they're still in the fight because the can still function. Duh

Originally posted by StealthRanger
[B]If he summoned them from the sky, it obviously wasn't point blank dodging now was it?

Are you on drugs? If so, were can I get some? Seriously, gravity has energy and does not ignore durability as such

Blah blah "gravity is magical", "DBZ split durability" bullshit

Yea who cares, I fail to see how you can overlook the fact that increased gravity is pithy compared to what DBZ chars have survived

And there are also cases of split durability existing in DBZ. Like Kid goku got his legs broken by a small stone Piccolo threw at him, and even Tao got nearly killed by a grenade.

Even if they body swap, they're still in the fight because the can still function. Duh

Ginyu could have effortlessly beaten Goku after swapping with him.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
The bolt came from the sky, but Chinmei starts reacting to it only when its at point blank range

Still doesn't change the fact that dodging something doesn't grant the same level of speed as the actual projectile

Gravity affects your insides, including every single cell in your body, while ki blasts don't.

Did DBZ characters become made of vibranium and capable of nulling kinetic energy with their flesh?

Yeah, no. Unless stated to have that property, we generally tend to assume that their insides will be effected by impacts, and when DBZ chars tank their attacks regularly

You're a ****ing idiot and a terrible troll, though tbf I should expect such from the same dong who downplayed Goten by saying he was "some kid throwing pebbles"

What DBZ characters have survived has nothing to do with gravity. Show me where their insides have been shown to be so durable.

Stop being a silly **** chuckles. Are you honestly trying to imply that guys who can tank planet busters..... are going to have low internal durability?

And there are also cases of split durability existing in DBZ. Like Kid goku got his legs broken by a small stone Piccolo threw at him, and even Tao got nearly killed by a grenade.

There's no such thing as split durability for any franchise. The only arguments for it (in DBZ of all things, for some convoluted reason) are "low ends count too!", "only ki blasts!" and, in your case "gravity is magic!"

You're as godawful as that guy on the OBD who tried to downplay DBZ with the "heat is magic!" argument, claiming that they couldn't survive the heat of the sun, also

>implies being harmed by Daimao Piccolo is a low end showing

That just means they can use Goku's body, while Goku can't even use their abilities like he was unable to do with Ginyu.

Ginyu could have effortlessly beaten Goku after swapping with him.

You do realise the first sentence can easily be used against you, right? SDK chars would be so weak when changing bodies into SS DBZ characters

In future, when pointing out things, try not to turn a blind eye to your own loopholes, mmmkay? 😉

Originally posted by StealthRanger
[B]Still doesn't change the fact that dodging something doesn't grant the same level of speed as the actual projectile

Did DBZ characters become made of vibranium and capable of nulling kinetic energy with their flesh?

You need to prove they can do this even to their insides.

You're a ****ing idiot and a terrible troll, though tbf I should expect such from the same dong who downplayed Goten by saying he was "some kid throwing pebbles"

Only trolls like you guys get mad over fictional characters and start throwing insults when they are losing a debate

Are you honestly trying to imply that guys who can tank planet busters..... are going to have low internal durability?

They can tank planet busters due to their ki. Without ki amping, they are weak as f**k.

>implies being harmed by Daimao Piccolo is a low end showing

You do realise the first sentence can easily be used against you, right? SDK chars would be so weak when changing bodies into SS DBZ characters

SDK characters have shown that they can use all the abilities of the person they swap with. Which Goku hasn't shown against Ginyu

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Dodging something from point blank gives you as much reaction/combat speed as it.

No. They can tank physical attacks because they amp themselves with ki.

You need to prove they can do this even to their insides.

Oh, wow....I never expected you to be as bad as this SSJ gogeta guy

Only trolls like you guys get mad over fictional characters and start throwing insults when they are losing a debate

Why not?

They can tank planet busters due to their ki. Without ki amping, they are weak as f**k.

he was harmed by the stone, not by piccolo himself. And Goku's arm broke before the stone

Why would they be weak?

SDK characters have shown that they can use all the abilities of the person they swap with. Which Goku hasn't shown against Ginyu

Yeah. And an attack that looks like a lightning bolt =/= A lightning bolt. Unless you also want to say that Kiyo from Zatch bell is lightning+ speed.

The fact that their insides don't rupture by the simple act of them tanking those attacks IS proof.

lol at us being trolls when you're the one calling a planet busting FTL speedster a "kid throwing some pebbles".

That part is true. Most of them are pretty weak without ki amping. Some of them don't need it though, such as Frieza, Buu, Bills, etc., even though they can. Frieza, because he was just naturally gifted with ki, Buu because he can regenerate from being atomized, and Bills because normal ki doesn't affect gods. Either way though, the fact that they can resist force from planet, all the way to universe+ level attacks, to the point where their insides aren't instantly liquefied, is enough proof of their internal durability. Oh, and the fact that Cell was able to resist being internally vaporized from a Kamehameha that completely destroyed his limbs, as well as dozens of others I could provide, including Buu being able to call a multi-galaxy potent attack from SSJ2 Goku a "little tickle", that had been shot inside his head.

Um... Yeah. In case you didn't know, the faster an object moves, the more density it has. Piccolo was able to throw a rock fast enough to overcome Goku's durability at that point. Why do you think Frieza was able to make such huge explosions by throwing rocks with telekinesis at Goku on Namek? He literally sank islands by throwing human sized rocks with his mind.

None of them can use ki though, which we have seen is the key factor in using the abilities of the DBZ characters, even when switching bodies. What? Goku was able to use Ginyu's abilities just fine. IF HE DIDN'T HAVE A MASSIVE HOLE IN HIS CHEST, AND HADN'T JUST FLOWN AROUND THE PLANET, FATALLY WOUNDED. This is also why he could throw a frog faster than Ginyu's blast could travel(which is pretty stupid honestly).

Originally posted by Blazing Storm No. They can tank physical attacks because they amp themselves with ki.

Translation: "It's magic, it's special"

Never know why that's an argument when most ****ers I'm aware of have superhuman strength that's not purely due to biology and yet we consider them to be durability/strength/speed feats all the same

Kryptonians use sunlight to amp their physical power, fictions like YYH and DBZ use ki to amp their stats, WH40K chars use the warp to be physically powerdul, Star Wars force users use force powers, Thor, Wonder Woman and various skyfather tiers in Marvel/DC use magic, Heralds of Galactus use the Power Cosmic, etc

You need to prove they can do this even to their insides.

The fact that their organs and internals aren't pasted. Now get out

Oh, wow....I never expected you to be as bad as this SSJ gogeta guy

Only trolls like you guys get mad over fictional characters and start throwing insults when they are losing a debate

Style over substance fallacy. I can insult you all I want, the argument is still there

When you downplay and say stupid shit like Piccolo throwing a stone is weak, that DBZ chars have shit internal durability or Goten is just a kid throwing stones (despite he overpenetrated a mountain by throwing them and had learned to become Super Saiyan before then), then, to be frank, we have every right to call you an idiot

Why not?

They can tank planet busters due to their ki. Without ki amping, they are weak as f**k.

Which brings us back to "it's magic, it's special is not an argument"

Blazing Storm confirmed for idiot and DBZ downplayer

he was harmed by the stone, not by piccolo himself. And Goku's arm broke before the stone

Uh yeah, Piccolo threw the stone, why else would it be effective? Then there's that Goku tanked Piccolo's city busters

Why would they be weak?

SDK characters have shown that they can use all the abilities of the person they swap with. Which Goku hasn't shown against Ginyu [/B]

Because when Ginyu swapped into Goku's body, he was getting slapped around by Gohan and Krillin, when he was surpassed only by Kaioken Goku because he couldn;t tap into his energy properly

Again, try not to overlook your own loopholes, mmkay?

He isn't really downplaying DBZ. And not nearly to the level Gogeta's wanking it. You need to chill out a bit, SR.

A fair bit of what he is saying is valid.

Originally posted by SSJG gogeta
Yeah. And an attack that looks like a lightning bolt =/= A lightning bolt. Unless you also want to say that Kiyo from Zatch bell is lightning+ speed.

None of them can use ki though, which we have seen is the key factor in using the abilities of the DBZ characters, even when switching bodies. What? Goku was able to use Ginyu's abilities just fine. IF HE DIDN'T HAVE A MASSIVE HOLE IN HIS CHEST, AND HADN'T JUST FLOWN AROUND THE PLANET, FATALLY WOUNDED. This is also why he could throw a frog faster than Ginyu's blast could travel(which is pretty stupid honestly).

INfact he couldnt even fly properly and needed some time to get used to that body.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Translation: "It's magic, it's special"

Never know why that's an argument when most ****ers I'm aware of have superhuman strength that's not purely due to biology and yet we consider them to be durability/strength/speed feats all the same

Kryptonians use sunlight to amp their physical power, fictions like YYH and DBZ use ki to amp their stats, WH40K chars use the warp to be physically powerdul, Star Wars force users use force powers, Thor, Wonder Woman and various skyfather tiers in Marvel/DC use magic, Heralds of Galactus use the Power Cosmic, etc

Because when Ginyu swapped into Goku's body, he was getting slapped around by Gohan and Krillin, when he was surpassed only by Kaioken Goku because he couldn;t tap into his energy properly

Again, try not to overlook your own loopholes, mmkay?

And idk why we are still going on about this. SDK characters have several other haxes that bypass durability like
> the reverse dimensional gate (Goku attacks him, ends up hurting himself)
> shadow BFR
> time manipulation
> petrification etc.

You can find the full list here:
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15858
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=14927
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15913

And adding to that the difference in speed (Mach 3000 vs Mach 180, or even Mach 260 vs Mach 180), the match would still be in SDK's favor

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
[quote=SSJG gogeta]Yeah. And an attack that looks like a lightning bolt =/= A lightning bolt. Unless you also want to say that Kiyo from Zatch bell is lightning+ speed.

If Goku could use Ginyu's abilities, why didn't he just re-swap and get his body?

INfact he couldnt even fly properly and needed some time to get used to that body.

Ki is not magic, its something like the life-force of DBZ characters. Without ki-amping their bodies are physically weak.

What?

Show me a scan where they've shown they can even amp their internal organs and every cell in their body.

You sound mad. Calm down.

I'm only stating the canon facts and trying to find an explanation to it.

Goku struggling with 10 G happened on panel in the manga, which YOU are trying to deny.

So?

Even a stone thrown at light speed won't have city level potency behind it.

It just proves Goku's durability against ki and physical strikes (like stones) is different.

And ginyu in goku's body was still stronger than goku in ginyu's body. he could effortlessly have beaten goku right there after swapping if he really tried.

And idk why we are still going on about this. SDK characters have several other haxes that bypass durability like
> the reverse dimensional gate (Goku attacks him, ends up hurting himself)
> shadow BFR
> time manipulation
> petrification etc.

You can find the full list here:
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15858
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=14927
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15913

And adding to that the difference in speed (Mach 3000 vs Mach 180, or even Mach 260 vs Mach 180), the match would still be in SDK's favor [/QUOTE]

How many times do I have to explain this to you? Being stronger than someone does NOT mean you suddenly get their unique abilities. If Goku wanted to use final flash, he probably could, but only because it's so similar to kamehameha. If he wanted to stop time by holding his breath like Guldo though, someone MUCH weaker than him, he couldn't because it's a guldo-specific ability. You need to have some SHRED of common sense, or you can't decipher the difference between such simple instances, which I can imagine is why you're having such trouble.

Yes, Ki is not magic. Without the Odin-force though, Thor was a normal, fit human. He was still a good fighter, but he would have been one-shotted physically by WonderWoman. Same with all the characters you're talking about.

What? Show me a scan where they've shown they CAN'T amp their internal organs. Dende could regrow all their cells with ki, it's not a stretch, even without the fact that without amping their insides they would instantly become human Slushie's, that the normal fighters can protect theirs with ki. Again, show a scan where one Z-fighter liquefied their insides by moving, or your just baselessly presuming things like you always do(and are doing), to try and save face.

Exactly like he said, style over substance fallacy. You fail.

Um, Goku had trouble on 10G before he took off his weighted clothes. In case you haven't read Dragon Ball(which I bet you haven't), without Goku's math errors, his weighted clothes at that point were over several tons on normal gravity. Hell, in late Dragon Ball back in the world tournament after the three year time-skip, Tien even said it was shocking that he could move with weights as heavy as he wore. That was Tien who could effortlessly move mountains.

No, a stone thrown at light speed will go straight through the planet and it's core, and still achieve exit velocity and go into outer space. Try again.

No, it proves that you can try and nit-pick all you want, but the feats are still there. Goku could tank moon busting attacks at that point, just as well as he could tank moon potency punches. The only difference is that the punches are much more physically powerful, creating more penetrative force. Piccolo threw the rock fast enough to increase it's density so vastly by nearing light speed, that it was able to contend with moon busting attacks, and even surpass them in sheer penetrative force. That is the feat, not "a kid throwing some pebbles". GG.

Yes, he could have effortlessly beaten Goku in Ginyu's body if he wanted to. BECAUSE HE PREVIOUSLY JAMMED HIS FIST INTO HIS OWN HEART, a VASTLY fatal injury that Ginyu was surprised didn't kill the body.

Yeah, I don't know why we're talking about this.

-Goku has resisted that kind of dimensional warping before, as he did in Fusion Reborn when he simply got strong enough by going SSJ3 to break dimensions, which I might add were on a level comparable to Spectre level feats, which are more impressive than all of SDK at once.
-Don't know what that is.
-Slowing down time is nothing compared to Guldo, who could stop it COMPLETELY, and STILL died because he was simply too slow.
-Goku has been able to resist petrification before as well. He was able to outrun Frieza's paralysis ball explosion as it was exploding, while he was still "paralyzed".

Mach 3,000? I can give dozens of separate feats that scale to prove that retardedly incorrect. Such as when Goku flew from one side of Namek(which is calced to be 3.5 times larger than Earth) in less than one 3 MILLIONTH of a second, which is over 77,000 times faster than light. WITHOUT IT or Kaioken.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He isn't really downplaying DBZ. And not nearly to the level Gogeta's wanking it. You need to chill out a bit, SR.

A fair bit of what he is saying [b]is valid. [/B]

Don't say I'm wanking DBZ, just because you've clearly never watched/read it.

He is downplaying DBZ. How could you suggest that he's not, when he's calling a star+ level Super Saiyan warrior a "kid throwing some pebbles"?

Almost none of what he's saying is valid, but he has a point here or there every once in a great while. Most of the time though, he's calling universe+ busters "little kids", and calling country potency Bleach characters multiverse level reality warpers.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Translation: "It's magic, it's special"

Never know why that's an argument when most ****ers I'm aware of have superhuman strength that's not purely due to biology and yet we consider them to be durability/strength/speed feats all the same

Kryptonians use sunlight to amp their physical power, fictions like YYH and DBZ use ki to amp their stats, WH40K chars use the warp to be physically powerdul, Star Wars force users use force powers, Thor, Wonder Woman and various skyfather tiers in Marvel/DC use magic, Heralds of Galactus use the Power Cosmic, etc

The fact that their organs and internals aren't pasted. Now get out

Style over substance fallacy. I can insult you all I want, the argument is still there

When you downplay and say stupid shit like Piccolo throwing a stone is weak, that DBZ chars have shit internal durability or Goten is just a kid throwing stones (despite he overpenetrated a mountain by throwing them and had learned to become Super Saiyan before then), then, to be frank, we have every right to call you an idiot

Which brings us back to "it's magic, it's special is not an argument"

Blazing Storm confirmed for idiot and DBZ downplayer

Uh yeah, Piccolo threw the stone, why else would it be effective? Then there's that Goku tanked Piccolo's city busters

Because when Ginyu swapped into Goku's body, he was getting slapped around by Gohan and Krillin, when he was surpassed only by Kaioken Goku because he couldn;t tap into his energy properly

Again, try not to overlook your own loopholes, mmkay?

^This.

Don't say I'm wanking DBZ, just because you've clearly never watched/read it.

Also, yes you are:

star+ level

Also that thing with the 'throwing stones' was apparently another thread. In this one I haven't seen him actually downplay the power of any DB character to a large degree.

Even if he's been an asshat before, that doesn't mean he cannot make a valid point now.

universe+ busters

Sure, some of what he's said has been conservative, but other things have been very much on the money. You're actually lucky he hasn't pointed out that KK multipliers cannot be strictly applied to stats linearly, especially not physical ones due to the bizarre nature of physicality in DBZ, where a character's durability it tied almost entirely to their ki, allowing them to survive ki attacks from one another, but still be hurt by each other's punches and kicks.

I don't actually know what Kyo is from, I'm just here reading because All Versus is relatively dead and I'm bored out of my gourd.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
"You don't share my inflated opinion, CLEARLY YOU ARE ENTIRELY UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SOURCE MATERIAL!"

Also, yes you are:

^Wank.

Also that thing with the 'throwing stones' was apparently another thread. In this one I haven't seen him actually downplay the power of any DB character to a large degree.

Even if he's been an asshat before, that doesn't mean he cannot make a valid point now.

Wank^

Sure, some of what he's said has been conservative, but other things have been very much on the money. You're actually lucky he hasn't pointed out that KK multipliers cannot be strictly applied to stats linearly, especially not physical ones due to the bizarre nature of physicality in DBZ, where a character's durability it tied almost entirely to their ki, allowing them to survive ki attacks from one another, but still be hurt by each other's punches and kicks.

I don't actually know what Kyo is from, I'm just here reading because All Versus is relatively dead and I'm bored out of my gourd.

Clearly. Nothing to do with opinion, btw. It is simple fact from the source material.

Star level+ = Cooler(and possibly Frieza) level plus. 👆

I guess so. Either way, his history of downplaying series he doesn't like makes that point seem pretty moot, as he's been doing that in this thread as well.

Wank? "If he keeps screaming like that, he's going to destroy all of creation!", "He's destroyed countless worlds, and even entire galaxies before, all in the span of a few short years.", "Wow, we were right to cancel the fight, this guy could destroy the entire universe!", "If they don't stop him, he'll just come here, and to every planet with strong energy, until he get's bored and destroys the universe.", "You should all be careful not to anger Lord Bills. When he gets angry, entire quadrants disappear in an instant.", "I've gathered enough energy in this one blast to destroy not just the Earth, but the entire solar system!", "H-He just destroyed most of the southern quadrant! He'll move onto the North next!".

These statements, most of which are backed up by feats, that scale linearly, PROVE that I'm not wanking here.

DBZ characters use ki for all their attacks. That's why they can take as much damage as they can dish out. They use the same energy for their durability as they do for their attacks. Same as many other series. Although the power levels don't scale linearly, it is still apparent that a difference of one power level can make a pretty large difference, proving that multiplying them with conventional means is still a massive lowball, when I could take a while to make an equation to bring the numbers up even more. It's much easier and simpler though to slightly low-ball though.

Im pretty sure kenshin prime ray of light amakaryu no hiameki> kyo