Originally posted by Digi
But it's not Nth metal v. Ultron, if we're creating a fair fight. It's someone with Nth metal or a dude with some sharp knives.It's like saying someone has an Uru weapon and assuming you're fighting the Destroyer inhabited by Loki. Your comparison is just so lopsided as to be meaningless.
Um, no. The metals are used differently so thats how they should be compared IMO. Nth grants enhancements typical of enhanced meta level humans. It upgrades the stats of lower tier characters. Adamantium on the other hand is used to create cutting edges, add appendages, implants and upgrade weapons and armaments. An adamantium upgrade would benefit anyone below skyfather level. Adamantium projectiles ripped through WWH like he was a heap of bubble bath bubbles. An Enhanced Meta was able to cut perhaps the most durable characters in all comics with adamantium claws.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What if the character already has those qualities?
Then you missed the point of the thread. It's not a specific individual with the metal it's the metal themselves and the practicality of it. Adamantium is stronger, but nth metal gives them much much much versatility.
I'm specifically talking about the properties nth metal can give a user, such as enhanced senses, animal communication/control, controlling the 4 fundamentals of the universe, mach speeds, high level healing factor, enhanced strength, etc, etc
If Wolverine didn't have his healing factor the adamantium process would kill him. His healing factor keeps him dying from metal poisoning. If this thread is asking which is more durable then definitely adamantium wins.
Originally posted by -K-M-
If you want to use Ultron, then Onimar Synn is far game.
A character that has ancient knowledge of secrect ways to use the Nth? Okay, not very typical. A character doesn't need ancient knowledge to use adamantium effectively, although you would have to find a way to manipulate it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
A character that has ancient knowledge of secrect ways to use the Nth? Okay, not very typical. A character doesn't need ancient knowledge to use adamantium effectively, although you would have to find a way to manipulate it.
Yeah and ultron had more abilities and resources then just adamantium. Same thing.
Hawkman and others don't need "ancient" knowledge to use it. It also doesn't need the extensive resources to manipulate it either like adamantium does.
Actually, I understand what the question was. It was as follows:
Nth metal vs adamantium
Which is the toughest metal nth metal or adamantium metal?
Old Post Jul 27th, 2014 06:17 PM
That's a cut and paste. Where do you see a question about versatility? I think you missed the point. In fact, I'm sure of it. I think there is far more top end value in adamantium. A herald level character with a crude adamantium weapon becomes a herald assassin.
Hey I even said above if the question is about durability then adamantium wins. You however started to list specific characters which wasn't part of it.
Also toughest doesn't need necessarily mean durability. Depends on what the creator of the thread intended it to be. Nth metal makes the user of the metal tougher then someone with adamantium, but the metal is more durable then nth. We should ask what the author is fully asking and the application they are allowed to use it and go from there. As quantity, usage, etc can all vary the outcome.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Hey I even said above if the question is about durability then adamantium wins. You however started to list specific characters which wasn't part of it.Also toughest doesn't need necessarily mean durability. Depends on what the creator of the thread intended it to be. Nth metal makes the user of the metal tougher then someone with adamantium, but the metal is more durable then nth. We should ask what the author is fully asking and the application they are allowed to use it and go from there. As quantity, usage, etc can all vary the outcome.
He did not reference anything about a user, he asked which wad the tougher metal. Adamantium all day long. The conversation was taken in another direction by others and turned into the answer to the question of what's the better metal. In any case, there is no way to twist the word tougher into more versatile. Tougher is much more closely related to more durable.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I know, pym did. Actually being more versatile can make you more tougher to beat. That's actually a common phrase used in fight promotions and comics.Tougher is a subjective term that can be applied in a few different ways. We shall wait what the author means.
Not only would "tougher" be completely subjective in that regard, that's only in the case that the OP indeed meant which metal would make a user tougher. I don't think that's what he meant because that is not what he asked.
Again all he said was which is the "toughest metal"...no more, no less. Which again is vague and subjective and not really definitive. The word "toughest" can be used to describe various attibutes. Is he talking about durability only? Properties of each metal? Characters using the metal fighting? Etc. he really didn't say much hence this discussion.
Wait and see what he says
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Um, no. The metals are used differently so thats how they should be compared IMO. Nth grants enhancements typical of enhanced meta level humans. It upgrades the stats of lower tier characters. Adamantium on the other hand is used to create cutting edges, add appendages, implants and upgrade weapons and armaments. An adamantium upgrade would benefit anyone below skyfather level. Adamantium projectiles ripped through WWH like he was a heap of bubble bath bubbles. An Enhanced Meta was able to cut perhaps the most durable characters in all comics with adamantium claws.
This doesn't address what I said. I said he shouldn't be comparing Nth metal alone to Ultron, because Ultron has lots of other powers that adamantium alone doesn't grant. As for your comments, they're entirely unrelated and I have no comment on them.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Again all he said was which is the "toughest metal"...no more, no less. Which again is vague and subjective and not really definitive. The word "toughest" can be used to describe various attibutes. Is he talking about durability only? Properties of each metal? Characters using the metal fighting? Etc. he really didn't say much hence this discussion.Wait and see what he says
The question of which is the tougher metal is not vague at all. The question of which metal is better able to "toughen" a character is not only vague, but presumptive because that question was not actually asked, even if that is what he meant to articulate.
Originally posted by Digi
This doesn't address what I said. I said he shouldn't be comparing Nth metal alone to Ultron, because Ultron has lots of other powers that adamantium alone doesn't grant. As for your comments, they're entirely unrelated and I have no comment on them.
First of all, I didn't limit my scope to Ultron. Secondly, all characters above street have powers to begin with. Wolverine and Hawkman are examples, so I'm not understanding the point you are trying to get at.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The question of which is the tougher metal is not vague at all. The question of which metal is better able to "toughen" a character is not only vague, but presumptive because that question was not actually asked, even if that is what he meant to articulate.
I'm sorry but you don't get the fact the word "tougher" can be used in a variety of ways and applications. Again... Wait and see what the author wanted and stop arguing about what you assume he meant and see what he actually does. That's all that needs to be said.
If it's durability then no question adamantium wins.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Hey I even said above if the question is about durability then adamantium wins. You however started to list specific characters which wasn't part of it.
Even though you say adamantium wins in which is more durable, would you give examples of Nth metal's durability like you were arguing for it? I'd like to see some.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm sorry but you don't get the fact the word "tougher" can be used in a variety of ways and applications. Again... Wait and see what the author wanted and stop arguing about what you assume he meant and see what he actually does. That's all that needs to be said.If it's durability then no question adamantium wins.
I know that when asked the question of which metal is tougher, it doesnt refer to which is more versatile. That's simple logic. The only one assuming is you. Read the words, they could not be more clear. If he had asked which metal was more versatile, would you be arguing which was tougher? It's clear you got caught up in the secondary debate over which metal is better and now you don't want to concede.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
First of all, I didn't limit my scope to Ultron. Secondly, all characters above street have powers to begin with. Wolverine and Hawkman are examples, so I'm not understanding the point you are trying to get at.
When I made that comment that you replied to, it was in reply to someone who said that he'd rather face someone with Nth metal than Adamantium Ultron. I made the point that his example wasn't valid, as adamantium alone doesn't grant Ultron's capabilities. A more fair comparison, though still invalid per the OP, would be Ultron with Nth metal v. Ultron with adamantium. But it's still invalid because this thread pits them against one another in a vacuum.
My comment was ONLY in response to the bad Ultron example. Please treat it as such, and consider that context in any subsequent reply.