Originally posted by juggerman
Yet he was held in the truck....
umm..clearly the metal in the truck was stronger than the cement?? nobody was stating other wise..merely that the ice isn't....
lol like what are you even getting at? are you lost? are young saying ice>cement? or are challenging that he is only super strong when moving? cause clearly...that isn't the case either. nonsense.
Originally posted by wallman77
umm..clearly the metal in the truck was stronger than the cement?? nobody was stating other wise..merely that the ice isn't....
lol like what are you even getting at? are you lost? are young saying ice>cement? or are challenging that he is only super strong when moving? cause clearly...that isn't the case either. nonsense.
You've completely missed the point...
Just want to point out that movie juggs was a mutant. He didnt have Cytorak powering him. So his powers were not limitless.
Did they ever mention what his mutation was?
super strong, check
super durable, check
healing factor, check
the momentum thing...is that a mutant power? affecting the force of gravity?
Originally posted by Inhuman
Just want to point out that movie juggs was a mutant. He didnt have Cytorak powering him. So his powers were not limitless.
Did they ever mention what his mutation was?
super strong, check
super durable, check
healing factor, check
the momentum thing...is that a mutant power? affecting the force of gravity?
Not all his powers were stated, but from the fight with wolverine we see them come out. The momentum thing is what is says it was. If he gains momentum nothing can stop him, so that could be cause he was uber strong and heavy or his mutant gene won't allow him to stop once he gains momentum.
here is the scene
seems he stopped after he was getting phased into the floor. Also youll notice he was moving around trying to get free after he was phased into the floor. he couldnt UNTIL he got angry and used his strength to bust out.
If his momentum was unstoppable like in the comics then he would have walked through all that. He wouldnt have been wriggling while phased into the floor trying to free himself.
He was more confused than anything about what was happening. That's why he stopped as soon as she popped back up through the floor. And as I pointed out, he just stopped walking and let her phase him. It's clear from how easily he broke out that it wouldn't have slowed him down if he'd just kept going. But they had to do the line so he just let her.
Well I saw it differently. He can bust through walls and such when running, but while walking kitty stopped him. He was even wiggling to get free. He used his strength to get free not his momentum. He could have just started walking while encased if it would have been that easy for him. It was clear he needed his strength to get free.
That's how I saw it. Shrug. 😬
Originally posted by juggerman
As for him slipping and just sliding uncontrollably forever; well that wouldn't happen. I was thinking he would just slam into the ground but if he did slide then the would slow down and stop eventually. If you believe his body just goes in any direction without him putting any effort into is then by that logic if he ever falls down, the momentum should take him straight through the ground and out the other side of the planet. There are limits to his momentum thing.
Firstly, to literally fall through the planet he'd have to displace millions (if not billions) of tons of earth, when there is nowhere to displace it to, so that doesn't really work.
But that's wasn't what I meant in anyways. I should have made it clearer. The scenario I was picturing was more like Iceman standing with his back to the arena wall. Cain charges him (which does seem to be his go to strategy), thereby focusing his momentum in that direction. When Cain gets close, Iceman ices the ground and then sidesteps. I am thinking that the ice might make him slip, destabilizing his footing long enough to prevent him from halting his momentum before crashing through the side of the arena. Hence a win via BFR for Iceman.
Originally posted by KingD19
BFR only counts if you can't make it back to the battlefield under your own power in a reasonable amount of time. If by some miracle he slips and falls and doesn't just crush the ice under foot, he could easily get back up and come right back.
Ah ok. That's why I asked whether it would count as a BFR or not. Guess this answers my question. So Iceman cannot BFR him. At least not that way (Or any way I can think of).
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Firstly, to literally fall through the planet he'd have to displace millions (if not billions) of tons of earth, when there is nowhere to displace it to, so that doesn't really work.
The point was his momentum isn't always unstoppable. It's under his control as to when his movement is unstoppable and when it's just regular movement.
Originally posted by juggerman
The point was his momentum isn't always unstoppable. It's under his control as to when his movement is unstoppable and when it's just regular movement.
Yeah, I also believe he directs his momentum. Which is why I said I should have been clearer with my initial post with regards to the sliding thing. I reread it and realised that what I said was somewhat ambiguous, but was hopefully explained better in my more fleshed out scenario.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I also believe he directs his momentum. Which is why I said I should have been clearer with my initial post with regards to the sliding thing. I reread it and realised that what I said was somewhat ambiguous, but was hopefully explained better in my more fleshed out scenario.
It's cool. So you think Bobby can freeze him or no? I think he can but only by using specific tactics like something similar to what I described earlier. Other than that I don't see Bobby being able to beat Cain
Originally posted by juggerman
It's cool. So you think Bobby can freeze him or no? I think he can but only by using specific tactics like something similar to what I described earlier. Other than that I don't see Bobby being able to beat Cain
Sure he could freeze him but its nothing he could not break out of with his strength . If he wants to be moving while trying to be froze I see him laughing it off.
Originally posted by juggerman
It's cool. So you think Bobby can freeze him or no? I think he can but only by using specific tactics like something similar to what I described earlier. Other than that I don't see Bobby being able to beat Cain
It's really hard to say. Personally, based on Cain's strength and powerset, I think he'd literally have to completely encase him in at least 2 feet of solid ice all over (as in the ice needs to extend at least 2 feet in every direction from his body), before Cain can react and start moving, to stand a chance. So the questions is whether Bobby can dump that much ice on Juggs before he starts reacting. If he can he has a shot at winning. If he can't, he dies.