Originally posted by Q99
Kas'im is a pretty bad matchup for Horn- his absorption speciality doesn't help much, it's a pure blade fight.Horn can get the occasional win thanks to illusions aiding his dueling, but this is the exact type of fighter one wants to send against Corran.
Why force and all out? Horn has no Force powers that'll beat Kas'im, whilst Kas'im can kick his ass with TK.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't see how. Corran's skill with absorption is one of his defining traits, but it's not his only talent. Even putting illusions aside, Horn is easily one of the NJO's most masterful duelists.What would really be bad for Corran isn't a blade specialist, but a highly potent telekinetic.
It's bad because Horn's best traits are apparently absorption and lightsaber skills. But Kas'im doesn't use lightning and as a lightsaber duelist he's comfortably above Horn. So Horn really has no way of beating him.
Originally posted by NephthysI honestly can't remember kas'im using tk, if he has something I'm forgetting I'm more than willing to reconsider the force only fight.
Why force and all out? Horn has no Force powers that'll beat Kas'im, whilst Kas'im can kick his ass with TK.
As for the all-out, I see corrans illusions as potent enough to at the very least give him an opening to end it with his saber, at most have kas'im chasing stuff that's not there while corran chops off a limb at his leisure. With no training or even knowing he had the power he was able to fool Luke with his iusions for at least a few seconds.
Originally posted by Raptor22
I honestly can't remember kas'im using tk, if he has something I'm forgetting I'm more than willing to reconsider the force only fight.
Kas'im used telekinesis during his duel with Bane.
"Recognising what was happening, Kas'im blew open the heavy door of a side room with the Force and dived inside."
Keep in mind that he did this while simultaneously fending off Bane's relentless assault.
Later he uses a Force push to knock Bane down a staircase and creates a shield to block Bane's Force wave (maybe not telekinesis outright but this ability is a close cousin to it as it involves direct manipulation of pure psychokinetic energy).
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't see how. Corran's skill with absorption is one of his defining traits, but it's not his only talent. Even putting illusions aside, Horn is easily one of the NJO's most masterful duelists.
And Kas'im is THE most masterful duellist in his order, possibly the best of his entire era.
As for how, you just said it. Corran has to rely on his duelling skills because of his lack of offensive Force abilities. He can't straight up overwhelm Kas'im in a duel and Kas'im has offensive Force abilities that Corran doesn't.
You proved nothing other than try to pass of an off panel feat (Kas'im beating his master), rehash the same shit about him "knowing every form", and tried to pass off Bane's unsubstantiated opinion. You failed to provide any dueling feats or people Kas'im has beaten to warrant his title of "best of his era". The best of their era don't lose to trainees.
Originally posted by carthage
There is no evidence Kas'im can overwhelm Corran if you wanted to make unsubstantiated declarations like that.
I think you may have misunderstood. I said that Corran could not overwhelm Kas'im, not the other way around.
My point is that neither can flat-out overwhelm the other in a straight up duel as they are both great swordsmen. In a pure lightsabre duel both would acquit themselves well.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Originally posted by carthage
Also being the most 'masterful' says little about who he's actually beaten by virtue of his skill.
That is true. However, while there is no substitute for actual feats, I doubt he'd have been made the Blademaster if he didn't know what he was doing.