Your obviously trolling, but I'll step to the stage in Ant's place and Defend Malak.First Off
He's soundly frozen both Carth Onasi and Bastila Shan -a highly powerful young jedi, with Force Stasis
Oh shit he froze a non force sensitive and a Jedi that is featless as a duelist and is mainly a support fighter! Not impressive Luminara fought and held her own against Ventress who has beaten and fought Jedi council members with feats surpassing a non force sensitive and Bastila.
Bested Revan on the Leviathan and completely decimated Bastila to the point where she was in no shape to resist capture.
He beat a pre-prime Revan and Bastila is featless as a duelist.
He's a powerful Sith Lord counted among the best."Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt."
That Wizards quote I don't believe is cannon, and even if it was true it says nothing about his power as in terms of feats he's painfully the weakest on that list.
―Behind the Threat: The Sith.
Malak would defeat Luminara in the same way Ventress did it.
Malak got his ass kicked by a Mandalorian, defeated a featless support Jedi, and struggled against a pre-Prime Revan. Ventress outskills them all by a bit. Malak has no dueling feats to suggest she'd be anything more than a challenge. As for Malak's speed he's roughly even as in Ant's thread he's shown moving his shield in a blur. Physically Luminara has thrown a wampa and had it crack a wall which is more impressive than three Jedi holding Malak down:
and she's supported the weight of a cave, those massive pipes that fell, and stalemated Ventress with a forcewave. These are greater TK feats than Malak has ever displayed, other than hurling that mook Mandalorian
Luminara's mastery of Soresu was said to have matched Dooku's in Makashi.
She held her own against Ventress while injured, and Ventress is superior swordsman to Malak in terms of dueling feats. Malak's force abilities could roughly even things out in terms of force, but his feats with those abilities are either N cannon or on weaker individuals like Bastila or non force sensitives. His force feats are not as impressive without his SF amp
Luminara should win at least 6/10 Malak lacks dueling feats to contend with her, struggled with a far weaker Revan, got defeated by a non force sensitive, and lacks the skill in multiple forms Luminara has proven adept in.
Originally posted by carthage
Oh shit he froze a non force sensitive and a Jedi that is featless as a duelist and is mainly a support fighter! Not impressive Luminara fought and held her own against Ventress who has beaten and fought Jedi council members with feats surpassing a non force sensitive and Bastila.
He also managed to Force whirlwind Revan who by then had already beaten Two terentanteks alone, killed Calo Nord and Darth Bandon, Soled The Sith academy and killed its Headmaster.
He beat a pre-prime Revan and Bastila is featless as a duelist.
*Sighs
That Wizards quote I don't believe is cannon, and even if it was true it says nothing about his power as in terms of feats he's painfully the weakest on that list.
Doesn't change the fact that he's still on that list and is being compared to the greatest Sith Lords of all the mythos
―Behind the Threat: The Sith.Malak got his ass kicked by a Mandalorian, defeated a featless support Jedi, and struggled against a pre-Prime Revan. Ventress outskills them all by a bit. Malak has no dueling feats to suggest she'd be anything more than a challenge. As for Malak's speed he's roughly even as in Ant's thread he's shown moving his shield in a blur. Physically Luminara has thrown a wampa and had it crack a wall which is more impressive than three Jedi holding Malak down:
Well aside from being considered one the greatest duelists of his time and what about his lightsabers skills being considered to be as great as Revan's military prowess?(Strategies)
and she's supported the weight of a cave, those massive pipes that fell, and stalemated Ventress with a forcewave. These are greater TK feats than Malak has ever displayed, other than hurling that mook Mandalorian
He TK'ed Revan on the leviathan....who by now was more powerful than Darth Revan
Luminara's mastery of Soresu was said to have matched Dooku's in Makashi.
Yet...she lost to a relatively weaker Version of Ventress
She held her own against Ventress while injured, and Ventress is superior swordsman to Malak in terms of dueling feats. Malak's force abilities could roughly even things out in terms of force, but his feats with those abilities are either N cannon or on weaker individuals like Bastila or non force sensitives. His force feats are not as impressive without his SF amp
yeah she did hold her own against Season 1 Ventress!
This Darth Malak at his peak.
Luminara should win at least 6/10 Malak lacks dueling feats to contend with her, struggled with a far weaker Revan, got defeated by a non force sensitive, and lacks the skill in multiple forms Luminara has proven adept in.
Look i know i'm probably wasting my time but lets make a list comparing them.
Malak Bested Revan and Bastila, both of whom were highly powerful force users. By then Revan had already become more powerful then his Darth incarnation and did many astounding things.
Luminara was soundly defeated by Ventress and would've died had Ahsoka not returned to help her. sure she's impressive but she cant compare to Malak. Luminara can not - will not, beat Malak.
He also managed to Force whirlwind Revan who by then had already beaten Two terentanteks alone, killed Calo Nord and Darth Bandon, Soled The Sith academy and killed its Headmaster.
Revan killed a bunch of fodder, again who cares? None of those characters are as skilled or have the accolades Luminara has. How does this help your point? Who has Malak defeated with feats other than a far weaker Revan?
Doesn't change the fact that he's still on that list and is being compared to the greatest Sith Lords of all the mythos
I never denied that he should be among the placement, but its pretty obvious he was shoehorned in there. He is easily the weakest of the bunch, and still that says nothing about his abilities as a duelist.
He TK'ed Revan on the leviathan....who by now was more powerful than Darth Revan
And Luminara held a TK wave and stalemated Ventress, Malak shouldn't be that far behind either fighter. While Revan would smash Luminara, this doesn't prove that Malak's TK feats are superior to the examples I listed for Luminara. She stalemated Ventress who even at that point has defeated Kenobi, she is still a more skilled duelist than Malak by a bit.
Yet...she lost to a relatively weaker Version of Ventress
A version who still outskills Malak as a duelist.
yeah she did hold her own against Season 1 Ventress!
This Darth Malak at his peak.
Malak's only saber feat is dying to a superior Revan. None of what you posted puts him above Luminara by any stretch. Yeah, neither of them are the most impressive, but Malak's getting trashed by Mandalore is still far more embarrassing than Luminara holding her own (while injured).
Look i know i'm probably wasting my time but lets make a list comparing them.
Malak Bested Revan and Bastila, both of whom were highly powerful force users. By then Revan had already become more powerful then his Darth incarnation and did many astounding things.
Again Revan at that point had not reached his full power, and his only notable feat is beating Bandon and killing tons of fodder. Malak has nothing on Luminara's skill, and Bastila again has no notable victories against anyone with feats. Her only claim to fame is battle meditation,
Luminara was soundly defeated by Ventress and would've died had Ahsoka not returned to help her. sure she's impressive but she cant compare to Malak. Luminara can not - will not, beat Malak.
Ventress at that point had still survived encounters with Anakin, defeated Luminara and Kenobi. She is a far more skilled opponent than Malak, and again Luminara held her own while injured. Losing to an opponent who outskills anyone Malak ever fought is not shameful. You've proved nothing other than Malak can defeat a weakened Revan as his best feat. You've also disregarded the feats I posted regarding Luminara's superior strength, skill, and TK feats all that outstrip Malak's marginal knowledge of force abilities (which again are mostly displayed in N cannon fights)
Do you have anything at all?
You haven't even acknowledged the feats relating to Luminara's strength, TK, or her skill accolade or even proven Malak (who has no strength feats) can break her defense? If you're not going to argue based on feats, and instead go into stupid unrelated tangents I'm not really interested in continuing and you can just concede. None of what you posted proved Malak is a more skilled swordsmen or fighter.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
[B]He also managed to Force whirlwind Revan who by then had already beaten Two terentanteks alone, killed Calo Nord and Darth Bandon, Soled The Sith academy and killed its Headmaster.
Actually the Two Terentateks alone, the Academy ad the Headmaster didn't happen until post-Leviathan. The canon order I believe is Tatooine, Kashyyk, Manaan, Korriban. Hell Bastilla is not even allowed off the ship for Korriban.
Originally posted by carthage
Revan killed a bunch of fodder, again who cares? None of those characters are as skilled or have the accolades Luminara has. How does this help your point? Who has Malak defeated with feats other than a far weaker Revan?
So you're going to play the game where you act as if what a certain character has done because of your biased? Hmm seems like my prediction was true.
I never denied that he should be among the placement, but its pretty obvious he was shoehorned in there. He is easily the weakest of the bunch, and still that says nothing about his abilities as a duelist.
irrelevant to the argument, the fact that you believe he's the weakest is your opinion not a fact, his being compared to them show's that he is considered powerful. unless you have somthing to counter this statement with i suggest we move on.
And Luminara held a TK wave and stalemated Ventress, Malak shouldn't be that far behind either fighter. While Revan would smash Luminara, this doesn't prove that Malak's TK feats are superior to the examples I listed for Luminara. She stalemated Ventress who even at that point has defeated Kenobi, she is still a more skilled duelist than Malak by a bit.
TK wave? it was a push dude not a wave. and uh If malak was able to do this to one of the most powerful Jedi/Sith of his time
he can do it to Luminara
A version who still outskills Malak as a duelist.
Right....yet...
"For me, Malak was always the 'brawn' to Revan's 'brain' - he was renowned for his combat abilities, and I always felt that he was even better than Revan with a lightsaber."
―Drew Karpyshyn (Author)
and then there's this
"While many credited the Revanchist's military strategies for the campaign success, others were quick to point to Alex's fierce courage and relentless fury on the forefront of every battle as the key part to Republic victory."
―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia(All of these quotes taken from DarthAnt66's Darth Malak's Combat Overview thread on ComicVine all credit goes to him)
Malak's only saber feat is dying to a superior Revan. None of what you posted puts him above Luminara by any stretch. Yeah, neither of them are the most impressive, but Malak's getting trashed by Mandalore is still far more embarrassing than Luminara holding her own (while injured).
I've already showed a explanation given by my friend DarthAnt66. You ignore it. Either re-read or acknowledge it before you post your bias, then we can have a decent debate.
Again Revan at that point had not reached his full power, and his only notable feat is beating Bandon and killing tons of fodder. Malak has nothing on Luminara's skill, and Bastila again has no notable victories against anyone with feats. Her only claim to fame is battle meditation,
Soloing the Korriban temple, scavenging the various tombs of great sith lords(all with many threats) defeating many Tusken Raiders on tatooine, dealing with the Terentantek on Kashyyk, Killing Calo Nord. becoming the Champion of the Taris dueling arena. yeah this Revan is a total mook 🙄
Ventress at that point had still survived encounters with Anakin, defeated Luminara and Kenobi. She is a far more skilled opponent than Malak, and again Luminara held her own while injured. Losing to an opponent who outskills anyone Malak ever fought is not shameful. You've proved nothing other than Malak can defeat a weakened Revan as his best feat. You've also disregarded the feats I posted regarding Luminara's superior strength, skill, and TK feats all that outstrip Malak's marginal knowledge of force abilities (which again are mostly displayed in N cannon fights)
"Darth Malak possesses extraordinary dark side Force powers out of proportion..."
―Wizards of the Coast: Darth Malak
"When Revan fell we had hoped the Sith threat was ended. But Malak quickly assumed Revan's role, and has embraced the dark side power as fully as his old master ever did. Now Malak leads the Sith armada against the Republic. Hate and vengeance for his master's death draw Malak ever further down the path of the dark side, fueling his powers until they surpass those of his old master."
"Malak gained a reputation as a headstrong warrior who would recklessly charge into danger. Malak's former Masters were well aware of this impetuousness during his days at the training academy on Dantooine."
―Star Wars Databanks: Darth Malak
You haven't even acknowledged the feats relating to Luminara's strength, TK, or her skill accolade or even proven Malak (who has no strength feats) can break her defense? If you're not going to argue based on feats, and instead go into stupid unrelated tangents I'm not really interested in continuing and you can just concede. None of what you posted proved Malak is a more skilled swordsmen or fighter.
Arguing implies one of us is angry, I've said my piece, they are facts yours hold some merit as well but they do not compare. Honestly Carthage i know you all too well, you'll completely ignore this and continue to try to goad me into a argument. The facts have been sprawled out in front of you, whether or not acknowledge them is completely up to you, though i'm quite positive you wont. Concede no shame in it - much less for a troll
Accolades don't make up for feats, and killing fodder is not as impressive as defeating/holding your own against a person with feats. I could care less if you consider me a troll, again if you consider a basic force push superior to supporting a ceiling, stalemating a powerful force user's force push, and preventing yourself from getting crushed by pipes you're nuts. Pre-prime Revan, fodder Sith, and Bastila shan are quite obviously all inferior opponents to Ventress or Obi wan or Anakin whom she fought.
If you've got nothing other than Malak's empty accolades just concede. I am not interested in arguing words against Luminara's superior showings
Your lack of knowledge is outstanding.
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Firstly, ignore Fated and actually instead read the damn thread.
www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-malaks-combat-overview/97192/
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Secondly, I have no interest in insulting the blind, though actually watch the fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6fEdXU74c
Luminara is capable of holding her own against S1 Ventress for roughly 20 seconds. After that she is utterly defeated.
Darth Malak beat Bastila Shan (an individual confirmed to have "immense power") in less then 20 seconds.
Do the math. And this is completely ignoring all his other combat feats against Revan.
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And also, don't expect me to respond back to you again.
You are lucky I am even acknowledging your pitiful existence.
Except Bastila as a duelist is featless, and I read your thread and the only thing I got out of it other than hordes of useless accolades was he moved his shield in a blur, was unphased by a punch to the face, and hurled a mook Mandalorian really far. For all of those quotes Unamped Malak is still virtually featless.
Nothing you posted suggest Malak would do any better than Luminara.
If I could rank the most stupid people in history, including the past, current, and future, you would be ranked fourth. First is a mentally-challenged kid from the Persian Empire. The second one is an old man with a rare disease from Iraq. Third is the person who shot someone over a Chicken Nugget. And then you are fourth. I am astonished every time you manage to even turn on your computer, let alone sign in to this website. Then again I am once again reminded otherwise when you make a post.
It would be an insult to not only me, but also my work, if I would have to debate you. What kind of drugs does it take to make a post hammering that all Darth Malak has is accolades, yet use one of Luminara's for a large part of your argument. The hell?
I know that but Malak has no notable victories other than beating a featless Bastila and beating a far weaker Revan. Being better than Revan with a saber doesn't translate as being better than Luminara, as he has no feats other than a **** ton of Ant's useless quotes that don't compensate for his lack of showings. Bastila is not renowned as a lightsaber duelist, also Malak got his ass kicked by someone Luminara could just chuck into a wall like that Wampa.
Ant devoted an entire thread to a failure
