Women. Religion’s longest running victims.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Aren't women just history's longest running victims?

Yes but religions have institutionalized discrimination without just cause against them, gays and others that their God seems to hate as much as the men who run religions.

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DL

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In what sense? Rights? Treatment of women varies from religion to religion.

Religions facilitated people to shift from barbarism to civilization. Religions presented a sense of order, culture and rules for people. An example is of spread of Islam in pagan Arab. Women were treated exceedingly bad in the pagan Arab but Islam changed this situation and motivated men to treat women with absolute respect and give them better rights then they ever had before.

Your claim about being part of a civilized and enlightened society is subjective. Is your society free of issues such as crime, corruption and exploitation? No.

Women have ample rights in many countries in modern times. Difference is that issues of women get more spotlight then that of men around the world. Also, in countries, where human rights are a big issue, both genders suffer.

I am not sure how you can generalize about treatment of women in this kind of manner. Treatment of women varies not just in societies but within families in a society. In a so-called 3rd world country, you might notice women being treated like princesses in an upper-class or even middle-class family which would be above norm then what you may witness in lot of families in a so-called 1st world country.

You are misinformed and need to improve your knowledge in these matters concerning religions.

Ditto. Start with this.

And as for Islam, 5,000 odd so called Honor killings show that you have no clue as to what Islam is all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related

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DL

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

YouTube video

Watch this and tell me if We are treated equal?

Specially part 3 where women than can barely perform as a well as a 12 year old kid in the military get paid as much as the guys on the trenches.

YouTube video

and respectfully, I have no problem if you feel you have to apologize to the women of the world, just don't try to make me feel guilty for something I should not.

I guess that you did not note that at the time of the older wars, women could not even vote. And as to the latest ones, men have kept women out of many positions that would have balanced the death toll.

He shall rule over you is still religions idea of equality.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Ditto. Start with this.

And as for Islam, 5,000 odd so called Honor killings show that you have no clue as to what Islam is all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related

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DL

Islam discourages adultery and introduced exemplary punishment for this purpose but people are not permitted to punish the accused or guilty on their own because this qualifies as a murder. The accused have to be proven guilty in a court session and only the judge can decide the fate of accused in accordance with ground realities of the case.

Don't confuse actions of people with rules of a religion. Don't try to act as an authority about a topic of which you are lacking in knowledge.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I guess that you did not note that at the time of the older wars, women could not even vote. And as to the latest ones, men have kept women out of many positions that would have balanced the death toll.

He shall rule over you is still religions idea of equality.

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DL

They didn't vote but also they didn't have to die for their country, NOW They Vote and still getting protected by men, yet they don't complain about this.

Didn't you check the percentages of women and men in the military and the disparity between deaths among men and women?

How about women getting paid as much as guys, while the most women are safe behind the front lines and the guys are getting shot at?

Maybe WOMEN should voice their opinions about how they should be sent into harms way as much as men so they can get paid as much as men.

Oh wait but there is no need as they get paid as much as men with out getting into harms way as much as men mmm

That will be much better that having apologetic guys trying to make us feel guilty about "all out evils against women"

In my opinion men who feel really bad for how "evil MEN have been with women", should castrate themselves.

That will be a great way to REALLY SHOW some support to women!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Honor killings is not an Islamic culture or law but an unfortunate individual-specific or local tradition-specific mindset.

Islam discourages adultery and introduced exemplary punishment for this purpose but people are not permitted to punish the accused or guilty on their own because this qualifies as a murder. The accused have to be proven guilty in a court session and only the judge can decide the fate of accused in accordance with ground realities of the case.

Don't confuse actions of people with rules of a religion. Don't try to act as an authority about a topic of which you are lacking in knowledge.

Only immoral fools will think stoning to death is exemplary punishment for a deathless sin.

I lack in some topics but you lack in a decent moral or justice sense.

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DL

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

In my opinion men who feel really bad for how "evil MEN have been with women", should castrate themselves.

That will be a great way to REALLY SHOW some support to women!

Yes. The less pricks out here the better, but it is to those who would deny women equality that you should direct that to.

And remember, it is men that have kept women and gays out of the military so it is men advocating the men fight and die. Not women. But go ahead and blame women. That is the manly thing to do.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. The less pricks out here the better, but it is to those who would deny women equality that you should direct that to.

Yes, you probably should think that, but who is denying woman equality? IMO if I want something I have to earn it I am not asking for handovers and I expect MY EQUALS to do the same

Originally posted by Greatest I am
And remember, it is men that have kept women and gays out of the military so it is men advocating the men fight and die. Not women. But go ahead and blame women. That is the manly thing to do.

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DL

Nice Strawman, but that is not the argument here, No one is blaming women for men dying, I am saying that those who ASK for equality should be the first ones to complain about the disparity of men dying vs Women. I see NO WOMAN or feminist complaining for the injustice of paying the SAME WAGE to men and women in the military , when WOMEN are usually and rarely in danger.

If I see a WOMAN shoulder to shoulder fighting at my side I have no problem with her being treated as my equal.

But IF a MAN who is supposed to fight at my side shoulder to shoulder hides behind me, I WILL NOT consider him my equal.

So NO HAND OVERS for MEN OR WOMEN that is fair and that is equal.

As I said before: Women are physically weak.
It's in their nature.
Therefore, some tasks that otherwise men can outright perform can not be done by even the strongest of women.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Only immoral fools will think stoning to death is exemplary punishment for a deathless sin.

I lack in some topics but you lack in a decent moral or justice sense.

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DL

Islamic laws and punishments might seem harsh to you but they are effective. Just look at the magnitude of cheating and sex outside wedlock taking place in countries such as USA and Canada in current times; both activities have reached epidemic proportions. Unless tough measures are adopted to discourage these activities, they will remain wide-spread. Islam discourages these (immoral) activities with harsh punishments.

As an analogy, consider "crimes." To discourage "crimes" in a nation, a Law and Order system is implemented within the nation. But the effectiveness of Law and Order system depends upon factors such as efficiency of "criminal cases handling processes," and "severity of punishments."

When it is known that you will be eliminated for a certain crime if caught, you will think twice before conducting such an act.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
As I said before: Women are physically weak.
It's in their nature.
Therefore, some tasks that otherwise men can outright perform can not be done by even the strongest of women.

Physical strength has nothing to do with equality under the law.

Are you saying that weaker men are not as equal as strong men now?

Or does that weak thing only come into play when a woman enters the room?

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DL

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You sound like an immature person. No need to transform this debate in to a personal feud with me.

Islamic laws and punishments might seem harsh to you but they are effective. Just look at the magnitude of cheating and sex outside wedlock taking place in countries such as USA and Canada in current times; both activities have reached epidemic proportions. Unless tough measures are adopted to discourage these activities, they will remain wide-spread. Islam discourages these (immoral) activities with harsh punishments.

As an analogy, consider "crimes." To discourage "crimes" in a nation, a Law and Order system is implemented within the nation. But the effectiveness of Law and Order system depends upon factors such as efficiency of "criminal cases handling processes," and "severity of punishments."

When it is known that you will be eliminated for a certain crime if caught, you will think twice before conducting such an act.

It is quite unhealthy for you to be concerned with what others do with their junk. It is their junk and for you to fixate on it is not healthy.

You step into my bedroom and you will not be happy.

You may not consider anything private but intelligent people will.

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DL

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In my religion (Nichiren Buddhism) women are not only equal, but they are leaders.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Sweet.

That East religion is progressive. Many are not and the Western one, mostly Abrahamic are certainly no progressive.

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DL

in the Bible (New Testament), women are allowed to be ministers... 🙂

Originally posted by dyajeep
in the Bible (New Testament), women are allowed to be ministers... 🙂

That will surprise Catholics.

When did mainstream Protestants first allow women to preach?

Seems to me that it was not that long ago. And that information was lost all this time. Oh well.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Women. Religion’s longest running victims.

Here we are in civilized and enlightened societies and cultures in high tech times and we are not smart enough to recognize that the world will continue in strife as long as we men do not give women full equality as a minimum to what men should do towards the care of families.

I hope you are astute enough to see this. If you do nothing then you know not what duty to your family should be. The women in your family deserve to be first class citizens.

Men are maintaining God’s curse against women. He will rule over you.

Men. Christians, Catholics and Muslims. Free your women. It’s time. Man up.

Please.

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DL

How are women victims in Christianity? I never seen or heard of christian men sexual mutilate christian women

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
How are women victims in Christianity? I never seen or heard of christian men sexual mutilate christian women

Neither have I.

Christians, being the majority in the West forever, still only pay women about 70% of what men get paid for the same work.

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DL

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
How are women victims in Christianity? I never seen or heard of christian men sexual mutilate christian women

"In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls have experienced FGM"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Reasons

You're welcome.

Originally posted by Robtard
"In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls have experienced FGM"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Reasons

You're welcome.

Thanks for this.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Thanks for this.

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DL

You're welcome.

Originally posted by Robtard
"In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls have experienced FGM"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Reasons

You're welcome.

Wiki warrior, which wiki is full of lies propagated by the people who fund and donate to wiki. Just like you.