Originally posted by riv6672
I'd call Supes and Bats great characters who have some really retarded fans.
Judging by this thread and some sites i've now come across, i'd say BP is well on his way to joining them.
But no, i'm not jealous.
I was actually slamming Thanos, who really is just what i said he is.
Under Starlin, yeah.
He's still pretty uber under other writers, but at least now other characters don't get dumbed down just so he could look good (Elders of the Universe, for one.)
I liked Giffen's take on him, though. He was Starlin levels of uber, but Giffen almost played it for laughs, like a parody of super serious baddass Starlin Thanos.
Originally posted by cdtm
Under Starlin, yeah.He's still pretty uber under other writers, but at least now other characters don't get dumbed down just so he could look good (Elders of the Universe, for one.)
I liked Giffen's take on him, though. He was Starlin levels of uber, but Giffen almost played it for laughs, like a parody of super serious baddass Starlin Thanos.
Thor was almost stalemated by a regular phucking human.
Panthers ready for him and has prepped. I can't think of anything right now thats more important to Panther than beating or even killing Namor. The fact that Panther is a genius and Namor is a dumbasss kinds of puts the ball in T'Challa's court. Also, there was the last encounter when Panther had Namor at his mercy until the Hulk intervened. I know your a Namor fanboy, but it doesn't look good for old pointy ears right now.
Originally posted by tkitna
Panthers ready for him and has prepped. I can't think of anything right now thats more important to Panther than beating or even killing Namor. The fact that Panther is a genius and Namor is a dumbasss kinds of puts the ball in T'Challa's court. Also, there was the last encounter when Panther had Namor at his mercy until the Hulk intervened. I know your a Namor fanboy, but it doesn't look good for old pointy ears right now.
This is true. But I kinda wanna see Panther take Namor down unprepped....just to make the feat that much more impressive. Do something like what he did in their most recent encounter.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Priest played down every other character to around street-level.Thor was almost stalemated by a regular phucking human.
Was responding to the post about Thanos.
Priest, when it comes to Panther, made him into a prep god, but also put him through some pretty tough fights and even losses (Kraven), and many of his victories were pyrric, like walking away from the Iron Fist fight with serious brain damage, or beating Iron Man as the brain damage caused a ruptured aneurysm. (To his future self, time traveled from the future.)
Basically, he was both insanely op, and insanely unlucky or fallible. Like a John Constantine. It was awesome.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I guess the "be specific and not vague part" was glossed over. And yes, everyone who thinks namor should, could, or will beat black panther immediately has to be pegged as a fanboy. Great debating.
What ares you looking for? Do you want us to tell you exactly how the writer is going to have Panther win? The last encounter, Panther was destroying him with energy claws. Will that be the same story when and if they fight again? Not sure. I'm not the writer for those Marvel comics.
The Panther is a genius intellectual that talks shop with Reed, Stark, and Pym. He's the head of a nation that is feared and respected throughout the Marvel Universe and has performed feats like curing cancer during their down time. Preparing for a 2nd tier brick would be a walk in the park.
The only way Namor loses to or even looks bad against black panther is through extenuating circumstances unfavorable to him within the plot(ie being sneak attacked).This is called a plot device except when the word "prep" is substituted for it. If the writer wishes to have black panther emerge victorious despite being vastly physically overmatched and at a major disadvantage in one in one combat I'm sure he can dream up something. Maybe like a weapon specifically designed to target a weakness developed by bp, etc. Either way in a straight up fight between the two standard equipment, suits, and current versions Namor should and would dominate.
Originally posted by namorsubbybp has beaten namor in every encounter though. His standard equipment is able to depower namor to the point where be can barely stand. It wouldnt be "dreaming up" to have bp use a weapon he has used in the vast majority of his fights with namor.
The only way Namor loses to or even looks bad against black panther is through extenuating circumstances unfavorable to him within the plot(ie being sneak attacked).This is called a plot device except when the word "prep" is substituted for it. If the writer wishes to have black panther emerge victorious despite being vastly physically overmatched and at a major disadvantage in one in one combat I'm sure he can dream up something. Maybe like a weapon specifically designed to target a weakness developed by bp, etc. Either way in a straight up fight between the two standard equipment, suits, and current versions Namor should and would dominate.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Either way in a straight up fight between the two standard equipment, suits, and current versions Namor should and would dominate.
Its never going to be that way though. T'Challa is a genius and we are all sure he isn't going to go into a fight between him and Namor with just his standard equipment. Being that his main objective at this point is to bring Namor down, i'm sure he has plans to do just that. Namor would be the one being dominated in this scenario (just as he was in their last encounter). I realize the writers aren't going to have Namor killed off, but in truth, he is to dumb to really do anything about it. Panther could kill him if he wanted to.
Originally posted by Trackz
bp has beaten namor in every encounter though. His standard equipment is able to depower namor to the point where be can barely stand. It wouldnt be "dreaming up" to have bp use a weapon he has used in the vast majority of his fights with namor.
So being unexpectedly attacked multiple times with weapons specific to your weakness, while not even aggressively countering or fighting all out and instead showing leniency, stopping to speak several different times? This is how black panther "beat" Namor. Even after hulk broke up the fight Namor was still fine and never attempted to attack BP every time their scuffles( ie BP sneak attacking Namor with special weapons) were broken up. The one time Namor back handed him while in reeds grasp, he quickly yelled for Namor to stop before "it goes too far" Why? Because we all now what would happen if Namor went all out against him....or at least we should. What that was was Tchalla actively trying to kill Namor, with the latter holding back. Flip that situation and BP would be dead.