Originally posted by Nalaniel
No, he's arguing with the guy who said Darth Skotia = Dooku.
You are the girl who put Palpatine and Sidious in a Strike Team in a different thread. So should I make this a fundamental issue?
Originally posted by Selenial
I sort of want to make a Yoda vs TOR Jedi #39204 and watch LeGenD make a case as to why Yoda would tire himself out and die.
Yoda does have shortcomings in effectiveness but they are mostly mindset related. This doesn't means that he will not beat lot of opponents, he certainly will.
Yoda's dueling approach is to use his tremendous speed and technical proficiency with a lightsaber to strike his opponents down as quickly as possible, aging factor, energy related demands of his dueling style and size likely influence his approach. However, if this does not happens, then the issue arises and Yoda is passive in his environmental manipulation moves.
Nonetheless, this is debate for another topic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bengel Morr subdued Orgus Din and Usma put up a great fight against Lord Praven who in turn put up a great fight against HoT.
Do you have any quotes or evidence or anything to suggest how good of a fight Usma put up? Cause all I'm hearing is "he lost to a guy who lost to another guy."
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bengel Morr was a padawan during the sacking of Coruscant, and his fight with Orgus Din took place a decade later.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Do you have any quotes or evidence or anything to suggest how good of a fight Usma put up? Cause all I'm hearing is "he lost to a guy who lost to another guy."
During the Sacking of Coruscant, Lord Praven killed Master Usma–one of the Jedi's most famous duelists–in an epic battle. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hmm, I didn't focus on this aspect but the fact that he survived in that battle or more accurately massacre is something to behold and implies great skills and power for a Jedi so young.Sure:
During the Sacking of Coruscant, Lord Praven killed Master Usma–one of the Jedi's most famous duelists–in an epic battle. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Neither of those impress me more than Fisto.
But keep in mind that Lord Praven represented a boss battle for HoT and the latter is much superior to likes of Fisto. This observation suggests that both Lord Praven and Usma are superior to likes of Fisto as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fisto is on par with Darach? 😬Fisto is fast and proficient enough to handle Vindican and Malgus simultaneously in a duel? I don't think so.
Yeah. He was fast and proficient enough to handle Grievous, after all. Fisto is pretty legit.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well, I cannot do anything about your mindset.But keep in mind that Lord Praven represented a boss battle for HoT and the latter is much superior to likes of Fisto. This observation suggests that both Lord Praven and Usma are superior to likes of Fisto as well.
Nah it doesn't. Cipher 1 was a boss fight for the HoT as well. Is a random Imperial Cipher Agent superior to Fisto too?
If you were to take Bengel Morr's words into consideration, by the end of Tython, the Hero is stronger than Zallow. Saying Praven gave a much later HoT a "great," fight would make him superior to Zallow as well. So saying that Zallow>Fisto because Praven>Fisto is a moot point. The best explanation would be that Praven improved in between Deceived and SWTOR.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Kit didn't kick Obi-Wan's ass there, just that Obi-Wan admit Fisto is faster, also sparring match means really nothing in SW.
He defeated Obi-Wan, who was in awe of Kit's skill, and acknowledged that he was visibly restraining himself.
And they mean more than many people think. No, contesting with other duelists doesn't make one their equal, but it does speak for their ability to operate on a similar level of skill. In this case, Kit outright defeated Obi-Wan, whilst holding back his true capabilities.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
He defeated Obi-Wan, who was in awe of Kit's skill, and acknowledged that he was visibly restraining himself.And they mean more than many people think. No, contesting with other duelists doesn't make one their equal, but it does speak for their ability to operate on a similar level of skill. In this case, Kit outright defeated Obi-Wan, whilst holding back his true capabilities.
Mace Windu sparred with both Quinlan Vos & Saesee Tiin, he could stomp them with ease but since it was ''sparring match'' he didn't...
Obi-Wan's talent depends on his wits, balance, using environment etc. Not to mention his style is defensive one. He only said that Fisto is better swordfighter(not duelist), because he is more aggresive and Fisto can defeat more droid than Obi-Wan in a specific time (in AotC). However lightsaber to lightsaber dueling is different. Thats why Fisto get ass kicked by Ventress, while Obi-Wan didn't get any.