Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThat is not at all the order of events.
The guy robbed a store and assaulted the clerk, the police responded, the officer tried to arrest him, Brown went for his gun, he got shot. Its his own fault.
I don't know why you're lying.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm a little bit more read-up on this story, now.Why is not the military called in to start gunning down the "protestors?"
Serious question. This type of savagery should be responded with even stronger savagery.
By the way, they are not protesters: they are violent and savage looters and thieves and the town appears to be virtually lawless.
Or has the looting died down and I'm just not aware of what's going on?
I read that store owners are guarding their own places with guns because the police will not help. And people say we need to ban guns...lol
Originally posted by Mindset
That is not at all the order of events.I don't know why you're lying.
Can you accuse a video tape of lying because that's what the tape they played on TV shows.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThe cop wasn't responding to a report of the robbery; him stopping Brown was unrelated.
Can you accuse a video tape of lying because that's what the tape they played on TV shows.
You're either a liar or ignorant, in either case, you need to stop posting and start reading.
Originally posted by vansonbee
I'm starting to feel bad for the cop in this incident, just recently this year, he was rewarded for not using his firearm on the line of duty for 6 years, till now, I guess.What % are you leaning toward the cop innocents?
So the cop that was rewarded for not using his firearm now just decides to use it for no reason.
Witness says Brown charged the police officer after he fired his weapon at him:
This further solidifies the point that Brown was not even remotely an angel.
Less deadly very should have been used. But I'm an armchair police officer so I am obviously talking out of my ass.
This is another Trayvon Martin incident, except this time the police officer happens to be white this time. The media painted George Zimmerman as a white male, which he was not, he was hispanic. However the because he had the last name Zimmerman, instead of a common hispanic name such Gonzalez, or Rodriguez or the many other common hispanic last names, they were able to convince stupid america that he was white and not hispanic.
Blame America for being so stupid. Ethnic clashes happen every day of the week around this country and none of them make national news, the media has chosen to focus on this to make money and distract us from Obama dropping the ball on his lack there of not doing his job.
Obama has done more to cause civil rights issues to create separation between the the cultures of American than done anything to promote racial equality across the nation. This has been like the 3 time he has weighed in on domestic matters involving culture differences. Like the time he weighed in on a white police officer arresting a black man for entering his home. Obama feels its his job to focus his attention on small time police affairs then do his job as the president of fixing the country.
Originally posted by dadudemonWho was saying he was an angel?
Witness says Brown charged the police officer after he fired his weapon at him:This further solidifies the point that Brown was not even remotely an angel.
Less deadly very should have been used. But I'm an armchair police officer so I am obviously talking out of my ass.
So he runs from the cop, the cop started shooting at him (or has his gun drawn), then he turns around and starts running back towards to cop?
That doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This further solidifies the point that Brown was not even remotely an angel.
It shouldn't, as eye-witness testimonies are borderline worthless.
I wouldn't be surprised if the guy turned out to be a little shit, myself, but he'd have to be more than a little shit to "charge" at a guy with a gun- he'd have to be mentally ill.
Still waiting for footage.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
It shouldn't, as eye-witness testimonies are borderline worthless.
Except when they are mic'd up when they do not know it. 🙂
Additionally, this "unknown" recording of an eye-witness corroborates the "officer's" story. Did you pick that up from the article that you may or may not have read?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I wouldn't be surprised if the guy turned out to be a little shit, myself, but he'd have to be more than a little shit to "charge" at a guy with a gun- he'd have to be mentally ill.
There is no doubt that he was a criminal, at this point. Only idiots and libtards think he was anything but a thug.
He probably did not deserve to be gunned down. He should have been tasered.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Still waiting for footage.
You'll never get it because it doesn't exist and I think you know that.
Here's something you may not know (but actually probably do): not all police cars have cameras.
Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]Except when they are mic'd up when they do not know it. 🙂
Nope. Eye-witness testimonies aren't worthless because of the possibility that they may be lying, eye-witness testimonies are worthless because people rarely actually know what they saw in the moment, and later recollections are often tainted by what they thought they saw rather than what they actually witnessed. Misinformation effect is Psychology 101 mah boi.
You'll never get it because it doesn't exist and I think you know that.I do know that. My point is, though, that the absence of a video/audio recording doesn't suddenly make the testimony of "random guy on the street" credible.Here's something you may not know (but actually probably do): not all police cars have cameras.
Originally posted by Mindset
Who was saying he was an angel?So he runs from the cop, the cop started shooting at him (or has his gun drawn), then he turns around and starts running back towards to cop?
That doesn't make any sense.
Seems like Wikipedia is the only objective source of information I could find, out there. Every site I looked at had a severe slant one way or the other (but they tried to disguise it...didn't work).
Something funky is going on with the story:
"On August 9, at around 12:00 p.m., Brown and friend Dorian Johnson were walking to Brown's grandmother's house.[12][21] Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson[22][23] drove up to them and ordered them to move off the street and onto the sidewalk. An altercation ensued, and Wilson fired his gun from within his police vehicle, after which Brown and Johnson began to flee.[24]. Wilson left his vehicle and pursued them, then fired an unspecified number of shots, fatally wounding Brown. Brown died approximately 35 feet (11 m) from the police cruiser in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive.[12] According to CNN correspondent Ana Cabrera, documents show that less than three minutes passed from the time that Wilson encountered Brown to the time of Brown's death.[25]"
This is literally the best summary of events I could find in about 20 minutes of reading news articles.
Anyway, what you say seems to be accurate: that's odd that Wilson shot at Brown as he was running away. That sounds like an execution OR that Wilson was freaked the **** out and was not thinking clearly. Either reason indicates that Wilson was not prepared to carry out his duties as a police officer.
To address the news article I posted this morning, some are claiming that Wilson fired warning shots in Brown's direction and that he did not shoot Brown until he started charging back towards Wilson. That still sounds like an immature cop because that's only shit you see on movies from "tough guy" cops...
Everything points towards Wilson being incompetent or unprepared to be a police officer. But everything is also pointing to Brown seeming like a thug. I don't think the Blood gang signs are helping keep that pretty "Gentle Giant" image people were trying to make of Brown, either.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Nope. Eye-witness testimonies aren't worthless because of the possibility that they may be lying, eye-witness testimonies are worthless because people rarely actually know what they saw in the moment, and later recollections are often tainted by what they thought they saw rather than what they actually witnessed. Psychology 101 mah boi.
You're telling the wrong person this. I think you know this.
And my comment had nothing to do with whether or not the "Eye-witness" was lying. Why did you make that assumption?
I thought my point was pretty obvious. Let me know if you want me to better explain it to you. I won't make the assumption, just yet, that you missed my point, but everything you're posting strongly indicates that.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I do know that. My point is, though, that the absence of a video/audio recording doesn't suddenly make the testimony of "random guy on the street" credible.
I do not think you're paying attention to what I have been posting and are just stating things slightly related to my posts. Why do you think it is such a big deal that an eye-witness is corroborating officer Wilson's telling of events, independently of officer Wilson, in a mic'd up conversation that the eye-witness was not readily aware of?
Put yourself in a judge's shoes or a grand jury member's shoes. What does that (the release of an eye-witness supplying information that is similar to Wilson's) do for this conversation? You want to get hung up on vagary in a false-sense of exactitude. You should realize, at this point, that trying to have that conversation is impossible: no video or audio recordings exist of that 3 minute altercation that ended in the death of Brown. So, instead of trying to move the goal posts to an impossible-to-have conversation, focus on what we do have. Does that make more sense why I think your repeating the same question is impotent in this conversation?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
It shouldn't, as eye-witness testimonies are borderline worthless.I wouldn't be surprised if the guy turned out to be a little shit, myself, but he'd have to be more than a little shit to "charge" at a guy with a gun- he'd have to be mentally ill.
Still waiting for footage.
We have no footage so far, we have footage of the robbery and directly after the shooting.
More racial killings in after math