Ferguson Riots

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think that's actually true, I think a lot of members of these communities are aware of the high crime rate and are trying to fight it as well. The problem is that a lot of white people have a knee jerk reaction of "oh yeah, their crime rate is high they should sort their shit out themselves" instead of actually tackling the problems that white communities and people cause for black communities.

I'm all for tackling the problems other people cause for the black communities, but they just don't seem to want to tackle the problems their own people cause. The people might be aware of the high crime rate, but they don't fight it with anywhere near the same gusto, and a lot more mothers and fathers lost kids to other gang bangers as opposed to cops. Before you ask, yep: plenty of times the people who commit the crimes did indeed go unpunished.

EDIT: Hell, just heard about another drive by on the radio on the way home. No suspects so far.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thats the one.

Did everyone here dismiss her?

I wouldn't say they exactly dismissed her here. But the good news is the country in general is taking notice, the clip has gone viral. Hell on my way home tonight driving I heard the clip of her being played on more then one radio station. So I find that to be a good thing at least. Every now and then Facebook does something that isn't horrible.

Do we ever hear people complaining about celebrities making to much money, or Super Stars?

Why is all the complaining about CEO's?

How many jobs has Tom Brady produced for the black community, how many has Oprah? But no it's the CEO's

Blaming CEO's makes even less sense then placing all the blame on cops. Plus the CEO's do not roll up guns blazing forcing black men and women to become gangsta rappers. They choose to do it. Which means if one wants to say gangsta rap is the sole cause..well, a majority of gangsta rappers are black.

So basically someone like Jay-Z should be akin to a super villain.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm all for tackling the problems other people cause for the black communities, but they just don't seem to want to tackle the problems their own people cause. The people might be aware of the high crime rate, but they don't fight it with anywhere near the same gusto, and a lot more mothers and fathers lost kids to other gang bangers as opposed to cops. Before you ask, yep: plenty of times the people who commit the crimes did indeed go unpunished.

EDIT: Hell, just heard about another drive by on the radio on the way home. No suspects so far.

I wouldn't say they exactly dismissed her here. But the good news is the country in general is taking notice, the clip has gone viral. Hell on my way home tonight driving I heard the clip of her being played on more then one radio station. So I find that to be a good thing at least. Every now and then Facebook does something that isn't horrible.

Of course if I had to pick just one major issue to tackle it would probably be the poverty levels in these communities as I think most of the violence tends to stem from that core problem.

I never said the police aren't a major concern. Just saying they are by far not the only concern or even the biggest concern. It's not cops on the news every day murdering people.

Note: before anyone jumps on that by saying "we hear about new stories of cops shooting people all the time" I am talking about in specific communities, you do not have cops murdering citizens left and right on a daily basis and getting away with it.

Originally posted by Surtur
I never said the police aren't a major concern. Just saying they are by far not the only concern or even the biggest concern. It's not cops on the news every day murdering people.

Note: before anyone jumps on that by saying "we hear about new stories of cops shooting people all the time" I am talking about in specific communities, you do not have cops murdering citizens left and right on a daily basis and getting away with it.

I would also like to point out that the other issues have a lot of interconnectivity to them so trying to break them down into solvable variables can be tough. Now you've said before that just because something is difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't tackle it which I agree with. The problem is that police brutality the way it is just throwing gas on the fire and that is something that simply shouldn't be happening.

I also think solving the police brutality issue could go a long way into helping solve the other issues by having a reliable and trust worthy police force to call upon. This could help create a more unified effort instead of an us vs them attitude around the police and government organizations which could help solve the other problems.

I think yes we need to change the way the police operate. Sometimes they seem more like a militia then cops. I think the cops and the people in the community need to unite, but that will be hard to do. Someone has to throw out the first olive branch eventually for all this to stop.

Originally posted by Surtur
I think yes we need to change the way the police operate. Sometimes they seem more like a militia then cops. I think the cops and the people in the community need to unite, but that will be hard to do. Someone has to throw out the first olive branch eventually for all this to stop.

It might sound like a weird idea, but for me I'd think maybe what if the community had a role in choosing the police officers?

Originally posted by Surtur
It might sound like a weird idea, but for me I'd think maybe what if the community had a role in choosing the police officers?

I could see things like all officers needing to have running video cameras on their persons while on duty. Perhaps reevaluating officer training to be less inclined to resort to deadly force first. Police community events that have officers on the ground helping build the communities they patrol to create a better communication network.

Rules of engagement need to be adjusted. As it is, as I understand it even drawing your weapon in a deadly situation leads to a shitload of paperwork, but that's all there is in a lot of cases. If there was a greater risk of penalties for wrongful recourse to a firearm in a situation that didn't call for it, then we might see fewer trigger-happy cop incidents. My hope is that one day America becomes more like England, where cops don't always need guns because guns won't be a common hazard for officers in the line of duty. But we need to break our unconditional love affair with guns first.

Originally posted by Surtur
It might sound like a weird idea, but for me I'd think maybe what if the community had a role in choosing the police officers?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Depending on how that might work, it could be a good idea. I definitely think that communities should have more say in law enforcement. The danger though is that police departments might be politicized more than they already are.

Indeed, I think the US is civilized enough to pull that off rather succesfully, but it brings many potential problems, as police forces could become essentially small armies under the helm of a local authority.

A toddler was killed in north St. Louis county, found a gun and shot herself. Same area as the 9 yr. old girl.

Originally posted by Bentley
Indeed, I think the US is civilized enough to pull that off rather succesfully, but it brings many potential problems, as police forces could become essentially small armies under the helm of a local authority.

Isn't...isn't what they essentially already are?

Originally posted by Surtur
Blaming CEO's makes even less sense then placing all the blame on cops. Plus the CEO's do not roll up guns blazing forcing black men and women to become gangsta rappers. They choose to do it. Which means if one wants to say gangsta rap is the sole cause..well, a majority of gangsta rappers are black.

So basically someone like Jay-Z should be akin to a super villain.

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Originally posted by Surtur
I never said the police aren't a major concern. Just saying they are by far not the only concern or even the biggest concern. It's not cops on the news every day murdering people.

Note: before anyone jumps on that by saying "we hear about new stories of cops shooting people all the time" I am talking about in specific communities, you do not have cops murdering citizens left and right on a daily basis and getting away with it.

The cops are a concern that can be approached and handled though. People can't just go door to door until they find a criminal or potential criminal. If you're good at it, no one will ever know what you do on your own time. We can however look at the cops who keep screwing up due being judge, jury, and executioner in the field, and having best friends in the government that can get them off whenever they drop the ball despite mountains of evidence against them.

Unfortunately now Peggy Hubbard has received all kinds of threats from the black community. Calling her a female Uncle Tom, etc.

I saw her on tv doing an interview along with some cop from Milwaukee(who was black) and the cop was claiming 25% of the problems in the community come from democrats, and 75% are self inflicted. It's interesting to hear people who are black talk this way. Since we all have to admit when a white person says these things it carries a different connotation. So in a way..we need more people from the community to speak out, because that is the only way people will truly listen.

Originally posted by KingD19
The cops are a concern that can be approached and handled though. People can't just go door to door until they find a criminal or potential criminal. If you're good at it, no one will ever know what you do on your own time. We can however look at the cops who keep screwing up due being judge, jury, and executioner in the field, and having best friends in the government that can get them off whenever they drop the ball despite mountains of evidence against them.

The difficulty in fixing the problem is EXACTLY why it should be addressed, because otherwise isn't it just going to kind of grow and grow and grow and grow? So if the cops eventually got "fixed" they'd be facing an epidemic of crime on a scale rarely seen. Why is this preferable?

Originally posted by Surtur

The difficulty in fixing the problem is EXACTLY why it should be addressed, because otherwise isn't it just going to kind of grow and grow and grow and grow? So if the cops eventually got "fixed" they'd be facing an epidemic of crime on a scale rarely seen. Why is this preferable?

My point was that the cop problem is indeed a large portion of what's wrong, and something that can be actively changed almost immediately but it's chosen not to. Did you see that 3 hour long interview with the Ex-Marine/Ex-Cop who basically spilled tons of dirty secrets about how corrupt law enforcement agencies are and how lax their policies and standards are? It's very interesting.

Do you think it would be easier to start with making the cops better so the people actually hurt or killed by them on a daily basis deserve it a large deal more, or coming up with some plan to wipe out a large portion of crime in all communities very quickly? While letting the cops continue what it is they've been doing?

The point is, you can hold police accountable as that is their job and they're supposed to be held to a higher standard. I'd be more upset a cop killed someone innocent than a random gunman. Because the Cop is supposed to be a highly trained officer who knows better while the gunman usually doesn't give a shit.

I never said it would be easy, but that doesn't mean nothing should be done.

Here we have more of the typical blame shifting mentality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvYl_GvSVw

Once again, the mother is on tv going "he a good boy, he didn't hurt nobody". When asked if her son was in a gang she said "oh, whats that got to do with it?!"

"Is your son the type to shoot at cops?" "Nah nah". The son is the leader of a gang called the "Bloods" by the way.

Once again we have: black man+cops+dead black man=cops fault. Oh and even more beautiful, she defends his joining a gang because he was in jail and would of gotten raped and beaten if he didn't join a gang. Of course this means he would of quit the gang as soon as getting out(he didn't). Oh, "he didn't know he shot nobody!" even though dude opened fire on a fireman right outside the front door, who got shot twice so someone had to of been shooting, but of course not her son.

Then she says the cops told her he had two little guns in his hands, and yet AGAIN she says he didn't do anything oh but he had an AK 47 in the house too. Ohh and she says since she is blind her hearing is so good she can tell which specific guns were being fired. Oh and since he was going to be off parole or something in 3 days(yet had a shitload of guns) she says they must of WANTED to kill her son. I just..wow.

Of course when she is told her kid shot a fire fighter her first response is "what the hell a fire fighter doing here?". HOLY SHIT. Just..god damn. This is why kids turn out bad, raised by pieces of utter shit like this fat pig. Oh and this "good boy" who didn't wanna hurt nobody? Yeah, was in jail at 16 for murder.

I'm not defending that person at all, or his mom, or the dumb shit. I've seen dumb shit like that before and it always boggles my mind. Like the black guy who tried to rob a Family Dollar and another black guy who had a conceal/carry permit shot him. Then the robbers parents were like, "Why were you even there? He wasn't robbing you specifically, so you should have just left."

In that case, or this case, I have no sympathy for the criminal because he doesn't deserve any. However I will say that joining a gang in prison is a valid tactic to stay alive and unharmed(aside from the jumping in), and the Bloods are not just a gang you can leave.

Most gangs aren't just gangs you can quit once you get on the outside. They say you only get out of a gang in a bodybag or behind bars for a reason. To get out requires a lot of stuff, like a really savage beating, or a lot of cash to make them leave you alone.

For example, if you join MS13 in jail, do you honestly think if you get out, you can just set your flag down and nobody from MS13 will find out about it? I know several gang members and I've seen gang activity...it's not just something you can walk away from without ending up hurt or dead for the most part.

Using that video though proves nothing aside that ignorance and idiocy has no race. That's people complaining with no reason to complain. I'm talking about stuff that proves cops are indeed part of the problem.

In this case, the guy did everything wrong. But there are far more cases where the cop was the wrong party and could have avoided bad things happening if they'd done their jobs correctly.