Living Tribunal vs Scathan the Approver · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Where did Protege get his greatest power from?

From the LT, who sans Scathan, was the most powerful being there.

Who did Scathan restore order for?

For the LT, so he could pass judgement. The same way a bailiff maintains order in a courtroom so the Judge can do his job.

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

LT was the top dog then, like I said.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Utrigita
I have always wondered what happened after LT imprisoned Protege in the hourglass, did he trap Protege inside himself, or did he absorb him?

That's a mystery.

Originally posted by Jynocidus

Can Scathan muzzle a nigh-omnipotent abstract

That's not Scathan's only ability, to "muzzle" heads.

When Protege was about to erase the LT, Eternity and the rest,
Scathan interrupted Protege with a blast of energy, stomping Protege and sending everyone flying.

Next page, we see Protege in-affective and with a muzzle on his head. (portraying a prisoner)

Next page Scathan removes the muzzle, and restrains Protege with his bare hands, while LT passes judgement.

All that time, Protege was > LT. (and handbookS confirm that on panel proof)

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

That's all good for that comic or saga

But in this thread, what is required for Scathan to "blast" or "muzzle" equity?

The way I see it, Protege wasn't impartial to all other beings in the way that LT was. Thus, not a true abstract. Protege acted selfishly, telling others to get on their knees....foolishly thinking he was the new One Above All. LT was no such dictator, and knew he wasn't TOAA. That's why with LT inactive, Scathan could go into effect.

Scathan couldn't blast LT the way he did Protege. In fact, Scathan is subordinate to the LT.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Jynocidus
In fact, Scathan is subordinate to the LT.

What you're not understanding is that being subordinate in RANK doesn't mean you are subordinate in POWER (assuming Scathan is even subordinate to the LT, see below).

A judge is king of the court but without the bailiff what's stopping the criminal from jumping the bench and breaking the judge's neck? This is exactly what happened with Scathan/LT/Protege. The judge lost control of the court and the bailiff had to step in and restore order.

All this assumes Scathan is subordinate in rank to the LT. This can't be true since even after the LT passed judgement, Scathan had to approve of it.

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

Scathan had no choice to approve of LT's decision. LT is impartial, as the embodiment of Equity. He prolly agreed with it, it's supposed to be the most logical.

Scathan did not approve of Protege because he wasn't impartial, he was selfish and had malicious intent. The reason why fleshly beings don't need to tamper with abstract concepts in the first place. Protege's weak material body couldn't handle a blast from a celestial, where as plot had LT nearly usurped by mimicry. Mimicry of his own incredible power by a material being. You think LT can't take celestial blasts? You think LT is going to be muzzled?

The Cosmic court isn't like the normal court system. In this case, LT has the power of the bailiff no doubt, Scathan was the back up. Scathan still in no way accounts for as much as the LT.

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

LT is only defeated by plot. No fictional character can contend with him face to face no BFR by themselves. LT isn't one of those "Superman vs Doomsday" characters, and this isn't one of those type of battles IMO. It's not even a battle at all...

I bet you if Protege got released in Marvel NOW, he wouldn't be able to override LT's authority. I'd like to see him vs Molecule Man

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

I think THOTI was able to definitely do it. Protege was nearly able to do it, but it didn't happen...nor would it have made sense to.

Just like it wouldn't have made sense for Pre-Retcon Beyonder to be TOAA.

I acknowledge their power, but only THOTI is truly acceptable to me as having surpassed. Protege is like a Thor - level being, maybe? Instead of having something like telepathy or energy beams, he has mimicry. He doesn't embody abstract concepts for me to say he'd ever be as strong as LT. If he did away with LT in the story, then maybe.

I think in a Vs thread no BFR, just like if Protege got released logically in Marvel NOW, LT would prevent him from overriding his authority just like he put limitations on the Infinity Gems. It's well within his capability.

Jynocidus Sadly, you're the proof..

Protege would have been a neat character, they had to quarantine him. He served his purpose, no doubt.

Mr Master Junior Member

Scathan was above the LT in status and power in that arc.

Here's the evidence that can't be debated:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=492799&pagenumber=6

Since I've discussed this subject before, it's all laid out perfectly for yall in that thread.

quanchi112 Disney

Scathan wins.

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop

From the LT, who sans Scathan, was the most powerful being there.

But as revealed later on, the LT was drawing power from the Eye of Agamotto. Maybe he kept the bulk of his powers hidden, to deceive Protege, thereby allowing the only other Abstract whom Protege wasn't focusing on(Scathan) to act swiftly and muzzle up Protege.

I know it's all speculation on my part, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.