Drew Karpyshyn on The Sith Emperor

Originally posted by Nephthys
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That's just the standard operating procedure of being the Emperor, not obsessive paranoia. Of course he's not going to dirty his hands with minutia and operate mainly through agents. He's the ****ing Emperor, duh. He still personally went to the second Death Star to turn Luke and wipe out the Rebels even though it put him in harms way, he still let GG kidnap him etc. That's not paranoia, that's arrogance, a far larger part of his character. Again, Palpatine being somewhat paranoid is a minor aspect of his character, with Vitiate it's a major part of both his character and the story around him. You might as well claim Vitiate is copying Palpatine by having powerful mind powers. Yeah, Palpatine has that but it's not a big part of his character or significant in any way. With Vitiate it's one of the central concepts of the character. It's completely different in how it's written, and thus not copying.

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It's amusing to watch you scurry about, moving the goalpost every post in a desperate attempt to save face. "PALPY NEVER HIDES FROM THE GALAXY AND ACTS THROUGH INTERMEDIARIES... EXCEPT WHEN HE DOES BUT THAT'S JUST TEXTBOOK DICTATOR SOP."

Palpatine's paranoia is well documented, hence his galaxywide genocide of all things Jedi (including younglings) and his purge of other Force cults in the greater EU. The fact that he's less of a coward than Viti doesn't change the fact that obsessive paranoia has been a critical component of the character since his debut in 1980.

The bottom line, incontrovertible and irrefutable, is that Viti is a carbon-copy of Palpy. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else. As usual, though, you're so blinded by your love for this one-dimensional prop that you don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it. I mean, at least Sinious has enough integrity to openly admit to the similarities and like the character anyway. No one's saying you can't like Viti or that you can't wank him. That's entirely your prerogative. But your apologetics are transparent as ever, as are your tactics.

But while I will gently remind you whenever opportunity presents itself, you must learn to deal with Viti's unoriginality and Palpatine's vastly greater importance on your own time, my son. excellent

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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It's amusing to watch you scurry about, moving the goalpost every post in a desperate attempt to save face. "PALPY NEVER HIDES FROM THE GALAXY AND ACTS THROUGH INTERMEDIARIES... EXCEPT WHEN HE DOES BUT THAT'S JUST TEXTBOOK DICTATOR SOP."

No moving of goalposts at all bro. Your point was incorrect because it wasn't representative of his paranoia and wasn't even what I was talking about in regards to Vitiate. Which is that he has his Voice to act through (though even then he only talks to the Dark Council) to keep himself out of harms way on top of mainly using his minions to do his work for him in standard Emperor fashion. Vitiate's paranoia is used in a completely different way than in Sidious' case because it's a key part of the story that despite his godlike power he still hides his real body behind Voices and barricades himself in the most secure, secret and well-guarded places in the galaxy, surrounded by legions of his best troops and his personal bodyguard because he's that ****ing scared of losing power. You're just talking about Palpatine getting Vader and the Moffs to deal with shit for him while he chills out in his palace. Which is basic stuff that any head of state would do, other than war leaders like Revan. Thats the whole point of becoming Emperor in the first place, to be able to just order everyone to carry out your whims. It doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there really is evidence of him being paranoid, but you're literally talking out of your ass here.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Palpatine's paranoia is well documented, hence his galaxywide genocide of all things Jedi (including younglings) and his purge of other Force cults in the greater EU. The fact that he's less of a coward than Viti doesn't change the fact that obsessive paranoia has been a critical component of the character since his debut in 1980.

I'm pretty sure he didn't purge the galaxy of rivals because of paranoia, he did it to carry out the revenge of the Sith and to establish his dominance of the galaxy. It's not paranoia, it's common sense. There's nothing that indicates Palpatine was obsessively paranoid. He told Luke and Marek to kill him while unarmed. Sure, he could still defend himself with the Force and Vader did defend him, but that's still not the actions of a hugely paranoid person. Any number of things could have gone wrong.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The bottom line, incontrovertible and irrefutable, is that Viti is a carbon-copy of Palpy. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else. As usual, though, you're so blinded by your love for this one-dimensional prop that you don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it. I mean, at least Sinious has enough integrity to openly admit to the similarities and like the character anyway. No one's saying you can't like Viti or that you can't wank him. That's entirely your prerogative. But your apologetics are transparent as ever, as are your tactics.

But while I will gently remind you whenever opportunity presents itself, you must learn to deal with Viti's unoriginality and Palpatine's vastly greater importance on your own time, my son. excellent

And the bottom line here is that you're stretching so hard to try to shit on Vitiate that it just comes off as hilarious. I know Vitiate was based on Sidious. Everyone knows that. But he's not the same in every way. So far all you've done is gibber like a child and point to super irrelevant things that don't actually support your assertion. And I don't like Vitiate that much. I've shit on him myself numerous times. You're just off the mark here.

Personally I think you need to deal with it, kid. You're the one whinging about their similarities all the time and throwing a temper tantrum when you're wrong. Just get the **** over it and stop moaning about it all the time. You've already admitted that Vitiate + his Empires similarities bother you enough to prevent you from playing Swtor, so don't try and deny that you're a little baby about it either.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No moving of goalposts at all bro. Your point was incorrect because it wasn't representative of his paranoia and wasn't even what I was talking about in regards to Vitiate. Which is that he has his Voice to act through (though even then he only talks to the Dark Council) to keep himself out of harms way on top of mainly using his minions to do his work for him in standard Emperor fashion. Vitiate's paranoia is used in a completely different way than in Sidious' case because it's a key part of the story that despite his godlike power he still hides his real body behind Voices and barricades himself in the most secure, secret and well-guarded places in the galaxy, surrounded by legions of his best troops and his personal bodyguard because he's that ****ing scared of losing power. You're just talking about Palpatine getting Vader and the Moffs to deal with shit for him while he chills out in his palace. Which is basic stuff that any head of state would do, other than war leaders like Revan. Thats the whole point of becoming Emperor in the first place, to be able to just order everyone to carry out your whims. It doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there really is evidence of him being paranoid, but you're literally talking out of your ass here.

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And Viti being more paranoid and insecure than Sidious doesn't at all make that facet of the character exclusive or original. Especially when this element of Sith paranoia is lampshaded by Palpatine almost 10 years ago in a five minute speech in ROTS.

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Nephthys
I'm pretty sure he didn't purge the galaxy of rivals because of paranoia, he did it to carry out the revenge of the Sith and to establish his dominance of the galaxy. It's not paranoia, it's common sense.

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Me
It's amusing to watch you scurry about, moving the goalpost every post in a desperate attempt to save face.

You can label it "common sense" all you want; we could label Viti's use of proxies and intermediaries as an act of "common sense" as well. It's in the best interest of each of them to act through third parties in order to isolate themselves. Doesn't make it less of an act of paranoia.

Nephthys
And the bottom line here is that you're stretching so hard to try to shit on Vitiate that it just comes off as hilarious. I know Vitiate was based on Sidious. Everyone knows that. But he's not the same in [b]every way. So far all you've done is gibber like a child and point to super irrelevant things that don't actually support your assertion. And I don't like Vitiate that much. I've shit on him myself numerous times. You're just off the mark here.

Personally I think you need to deal with it, kid. You're the one whinging about their similarities all the time and throwing a temper tantrum when you're wrong. Just get the **** over it and stop moaning about it all the time. You've already admitted that Vitiate + his Empires similarities bother you enough to prevent you from playing Swtor, so don't try and deny that you're a little baby about it either. [/B]

You
Butthurt detected.

After all these years, you remain such an easy mark.

And after all these years, you remain as slightly flaccid as ever. If you're going to leave such a limp reply, try one that better represents your stance. Like:

Concession accepted. Now get over it, you moaning woman.

The bottom line, incontrovertible and irrefutable, is that Viti is a carbon-copy of Palpy. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone else. As usual, though, you're so blinded by your love for this one-dimensional prop that you don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it.

Darth Abonis
I think Drew is the best Star Wars author.

I am right. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Spoiler:
Mass Effect is almost inconceivably awesome, though.

Tempest
No, I rank Revan above Vader and put them both well ahead of Bane.

Explain, in tl;dr format.

Nephthys
And after all these years, you remain as slightly flaccid as ever. If you're going to leave such a limp reply, try one that better represents your stance. Like:

Concession accepted. Now get over it, you moaning woman.

The irony of you becoming so rabidly defensive over a character you claim to not really like at all is thicker than Martin Scorsese's eyebrows.

And look at dem puppies.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Lol. I don't think anybody other than you thinks it's "incontrovertible and irrefutable", and it's funny how you accuse others of bias where you're universally known as a Sidious fanboy. The point is, there certainly ARE similarities but to sit there and say "100% fact", begs a certain level of proof.

Nephthys
Butthurt detected.

Not all of us can be bastions of objectivity like you, Beefy. 😂

Anyway, it's been discussed at length before. Viti is a pale imitation of Sidious from the superficial (titles, fashion sense, cosmetics, etc.) to deeper character traits (fear of death, desire to live forever, megalomania, etc.). Minor alterations don't change the fact that Vitiate is "universally known" as a Sidious fanboyclone. To pretend otherwise requires a certain willful ignorance.

Eminence
Explain, in tl;dr format.

I've personally put Revan between Dooku and Yoda for years based on his limited feats and implied power. Vader's got the feats and accolades to surpass Bane.

based on his limited feats and implied power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Some people can't click on links to respect threads, I see.

No, no, I've read it. I just don't think much of it. You're no Silver2467, bro. uhuh

But it shouldn't matter, since I personally rank Revan pretty highly.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, no, I've read it. I just don't think much of it. You're no Silver2467, bro. uhuh

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Half of Silver's threads are trash. His Darth Nihilus one is completely laughable. The only good ones he has is Sidious and Yoda.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What feats and accolades are not in my Revan Respect Thread? I include like everything ever. 😐

I know, that's like half the problem.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

His Darth Plagueis Respect Thread: Copied and pasted the entire novel into a thread.
His Arca Jeth Respect Thread: Who the **** gives a shit about Arca Jeth?
His Darth Nihilus Respect Thread: A disgrace to all respect threads ever created.
His Exar Kun Respect Thread: Messy, links not working, and lacks accolades.
His Gethzerion Respect Thread: Not awful, but lacks accolades.
His Plo Koon/Saesee Tin Respect Thread: Lacks accolades, links don't work.
His Palpatine Respect Thread: Highly impressive; the standard for a high-class thread.
His Yoda Respect Thread: Meh, I know there is shit he left out. Not awful though.

I know, that's like half the problem.

Silver has the same problem you do, except he's awesome whereas you're like totally

Anywho, he throws up every random goddamn feat ever.

REVAN uses the Force to open a jar of pickles:

Revan gazed at the jar, entranced by the pickles ever-so-slightly bobbing in the placcid juice. Hunger overtaking him, he narrowed his eyes and reached out with the Force. The power of his mind clutched the lid, twisting it gently. With an audible pop, the seal released and the jar surrendered its treasure to the Jedi Master's empty stomach.

It's like, who cares?

Except he lacks any accolades in most of his threads. It's almost not even worth reading them.

Who lacks what? Silver? Revan? SPLAIN

His Exar Kun's Respect Thread has no quotes that deem him as the "most powerful Sith Lord" up to his time. 😐

Maybe he feels the quotes were n-canon since so many of them surround Palpy?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His Exar Kun's Respect Thread has no quotes that deem him as the "most powerful Sith Lord" [b]up to his time. 😐 [/B]

None of them emphatically say "up to his time," we just interpret it that way.

So he ignores quotes then for his intense wank for Sidious? No wonder you like him so much. 😬