Yoda and Mace vs ROTJ Luke, ROTS Anakin, and ROTS Kenobi · Star Wars Versus Forum

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DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

[Yep that's how I remember it. Kun's 2 Lightsabers vs Vodo's 1 stick.
It was clear he wasn't a match for Vodo yet under fair circumstances.

What do you mean "by under fair circumstances?"
You do know Vodo's stick is the weapon he uses?

Is this a joke?

I accept your concession. The comics are a canonical source in the Legends community.

He says Luke isn't fully equipped to tackle Vader because he never completed his training.
You're making that line mean just about anything you want. except it's literal meaning, which was Luke was no match for Vader due to his lack of training.
It's not rocket science.

How the **** does "not fully equipped" translate to "not match?"

When was that databank updated? And who was it updated by?

It was updated on early July by the starwars.com team. Many suspect Leland Chee helped work on it (since that's his job).

Urrm... Because Vader allows him to. Was Vader there to test his own powers or to turn Luke to the Darkside? I don't see what's so difficult to understand. It seems you lack the concept of proper context.

Just read your own posts before you decide to post them to save yourself the humiliation.
Vader allows Luke to utterly beat him onto the ground and chop off his arm? What the ****?

Revamped by TCW where Ventress beats Grievous alone, in pure Sabers, without even resorting to TK. And Filoni confirms Grievous isn't match for a Jedi of Ventress's caliber. Next..

Actually no. That battle still holds strong in the official Legends community as well. It was the battle where Grievous was awarded the title of Supreme Commander over the droids. The battle is also mentioned in the The Clone Wars Campaign Guide, The Essential Atlas, Star Wars Insider 86, and General Grievous' old Databank along some others. 🙂

Mace won.
Grievous put up a good fight once in what wasn't exactly a normal terrain.
So what?
Grievous canonically is no match for Maul, forget Mace. Heck he's no match for Ventress.
So what are you trying to prove? How does any of this negate the fact that the Creators of Official Canon are all saying ROTJ Luke was no match for Vader?!

I see you didn't even read what I provided:

Grievous counters all of Mace's first assault:
"By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light."

The train gave Mace a terrain advantage, not Grievous:
"Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long."

Mace Windu won due to a single misstep of Grievous, not through superior combat abilities:
"Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep. Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell."

Read above. And Dooku listed a load of Council members who Grievous would lose to. But IIRC he didn't list Fisto who spanked Grievous's butt in "Lair of Grievous."
And when Dooku thought he beat Fisto, he said something like "You beat a true Jedi Master. Now that's impressive." To which Grievous responded... "Urm well no"

Fisto was able to "spank" Grievous thanks to his form being specialized in fighting numerous attackers (in this circumstance, blades).
Also, that fight was years before the duels that Grievous was able to press Dooku in. He obviously improved.

LOL You're just changing the meaning of everything and seeing what you want to, and reading what you want to. So I'm done.
Kenobi backing off in the middle fight in a cramped space just to re-engage him a few seconds later is not Losing a frigging fight.
And LOL at cheap shot. So it's cheap to throw objects at your opponent? So I guess Dooku is continually throwing cheap shots.
You don't think it was cheap of Grievous to fight Kenobi with the aid of a Magnaguard but you think Kenobi using the Force on him when stuck with a giant like Grievous in a cramped space is somehow cheap?
Go throw your "Grievous WON, even though he got battered and ran for his life.." shit someplace else. I'm done with your Grievous and ROTJ Luke Wankery.

Kenobi throwing a droid at Grievous is the definition of a cheap shot. I would be surprised that if anyone on this forum disagrees (besides you.)
I don't understand what you have against Grievous or Luke though, but it is quite annoying. Considering this wank though is...laughable. I seen boards that put Luke above Mace. 😐

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Grievous crushed the Durge/Ventress duo (scans are in order):
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Note: This fight is also mentioned in TCSWE as well.

I'm not sure what fight you read, but he very much did not crush them. They kicked his ass for most of that fight. And that ending feels forced, why does Ventress just stand there while he's unarmed and down and let him get up and grab her? It's stupid.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

They only get the advantage when Durge is able to stun/incapacitate Grievous. Once he is freed, he utterly trashes Durge.
While Ventress is able to push back Grievous in an assault, Grievous was also able to throw her against a wall as well, as well as disarming/besting her. 😉

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

You mean, after Durge punches him through a giant Dooku bust?

It's not that Grievous beat her, it's that at the end she seems to stand there and let him beat her.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Durge was able to punch Grievous thanks to Ventress hitting him directly before him. It all linked back to Grievous getting stunned in the first place. Later then Grievous two-shotted Durge.

What? They were fighting to see who would be the Surpreme Commander of the Droid Army. And Dooku also congratulates Grievous for his victory. She didn't "let him win."

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

I have additional scans in English however. Hold on.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Grievous and Dooku discussing afterwards (scans in order):
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Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Durge was able to punch Grievous thanks to Ventress hitting him directly before him. It all linked back to Grievous getting stunned in the first place. Later then Grievous two-shotted Durge.
What? They were fighting to see who would be the Surpreme Commander of the Droid Army. And Dooku also congratulates Grievous for his victory. She didn't "let him win."

Wow, that's all so unfair. I mean, two allies actually fighting at the same time??? And how dare Durge stun Grievous. That doesn't prove or indicate anything about whether Grievous kicked their ass or not. Clearly he still wrecked them because they only did well by working together and managing to stun him. What a joke.

I know she didn't literally let him win in the story, my complaint was that it damn sure looked like it. PIS, Ventress has him down then lets him stand up again and grab her instead of continuing to hold him down with the Force or hacking at him while he's trying to get back up or fighting back in any way.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Meh, stuns are pretty lame. You saw what Grievous could do to Durge without it...a two-shot slaughterhouse. That, in my book, is a stomp.

Probably just bad illustration, otherwise Dooku wouldn't have been so impressed over his victory.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Durge still managed to tag him with his stun thing. It's not like it was a cheap shot or anything.

Or the story was forced.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

No, that's not my point. My point was saying that Grievous was losing yet ignoring that factor is lame.

Still canon. 😐

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow, that's all so unfair. I mean, two allies actually fighting at the same time??? And how dare Durge stun Grievous. That doesn't prove or indicate anything about whether Grievous kicked their ass or not. Clearly he still wrecked them because they only did well by working together and managing to stun him. What a joke.
I know she didn't literally let him win in the story, my complaint was that it damn sure looked like it. PIS, Ventress has him down then lets him stand up again and grab her instead of continuing to hold him down with the Force or hacking at him while he's trying to get back up or fighting back in any way.

Grievous is ridiculously fast though. More likely he outright blitzed her.

+ Grievous wasn't even going all out. He had yet to pull his trump card.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, that's not my point. My point was saying that Grievous was losing yet ignoring that factor is lame.
Still canon. 😐

It doesn't matter that they stunned him to get him on the back foot, they still got him on the back foot and beat his ass before he won.

Still stupid. 😬

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Grievous is ridiculously fast though. More likely he outright blitzed her.
+ Grievous wasn't even going all out. He had yet to pull his trump card.

She's reacting to him and trying to back up. It's like he just psyched her out.

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by Nephthys
It doesn't matter that they stunned him to get him on the back foot, they still got him on the back foot and beat his ass before he won.
Still stupid. 😬
She's reacting to him and trying to back up. It's like he just psyched her out.

I'm trying here man. 😬

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Still canon. 😐

No it's not. You need to update yourself on the new canon rules.

This however is Official Canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF97aJO7MuM

As you can see, in official canon Grievous needs help from his army to take down Ventress. In a one on one though, he's getting his arms chopped off.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

I meant Legends. 😬 Look at what forum you are in: "Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe."
We still use the old ranking systems here, and that battle is C-Canon. You are dismissed.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I meant Legends. 😬 Look at what forum you are in: "Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe."
We still use the old ranking systems here, and that battle is C-Canon. You are dismissed.

Firstly this is an EU section, not Legends, so unless there is a character in the OP which only exists in Legends, or unless the OP states Legends only, then the first assumption is Official Canon only, since Disney/Lucasfilm has made it quite clear what is Canon and what's not now. (Which I know you're seriously butthurt about because you're clearly still clinging to Legends like it's Gospel, and that's where all your so called "Evidence" comes from).

Secondly, even within Legends TCW is T-Canon which is above all other canon except the movies. Which means Grievous Loses to Ventress. And You Lose to Me. Now GTFO here.