Originally posted by TheGrat1Wolverine's claws are hard, not ridiculously sharp. I haven't seen "The Wolverine" but i'm pretty sure Logan was fighting people with katanas and the swords were not getting diced in no time.
I forgot about that. He fought guys with tantos and wakizashi's(short swords), and Silver Samurai's son. Their weapons didn't break.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is this thread still opened? Wolverine has been koed by far less than the turtles.
He's also endured forces far greater than the Turtles. He also has indestructible claws that can cut through any earthly metal as well as a ridiculous healing factor. The only way the Turtles are going to knock Wolverine out is with well timed and lucky team attack. I don't think that's impossible but whilst having to deal with Blade and Captain America as well i think it'll be a long shot.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
So the turtles can break adamantium now? 😕
There's no evidence he has the micro chains that keep his joints connected in the comics. And his joints aren't Adamantium. If they were he wouldn't be able to move as he'd be locked in place when the metal hardened. So yes, they could yank him apart in theory.
And going on feats, a good punch to the noggin or Donnie or Mikey bashing him in the face will more than likely ko him. I usually argue for Wolverine, but in a fight like this he's outclassed in every way possible.
Also it should be pointed out(again) that the Turtles weapons are far more durable than they're being given credit for. Raph's sai turned a large chunk of wood into a carving in seconds flat and didn't dull. They also withstood being used to jam into a rock and launch Raph like a missile. That's a lot of weight and stress on a single bladepoint and they didn't break. Leo's swords never broke despite the pressure and strength from Shredder. Or falling into solid concrete. Etc, etc...
Originally posted by KingD19
There's no evidence he has the micro chains that keep his joints connected in the comics. And his joints aren't Adamantium. If they were he wouldn't be able to move as he'd be locked in place when the metal hardened. So yes, they could yank him apart in theory.And going on feats, a good punch to the noggin or Donnie or Mikey bashing him in the face will more than likely ko him. I usually argue for Wolverine, but in a fight like this he's outclassed in every way possible.
Also it should be pointed out(again) that the Turtles weapons are far more durable than they're being given credit for. Raph's sai turned a large chunk of wood into a carving in seconds flat and didn't dull. They also withstood being used to jam into a rock and launch Raph like a missile. That's a lot of weight and stress on a single bladepoint and they didn't break. Leo's swords never broke despite the pressure and strength from Shredder. Or falling into solid concrete. Etc, etc...
His skeleton is completely encased in adamantium. It doesn't matter how fragile his bones or joints are because they're protected by the adamantium. The turtles would have to be able to bend, dent or stretch adamantium in order to affect his bones.
It's going to take more than a good hit to KO Wolverine. Some good hits in an excessive succession may do, for sure but that's the main problem i see the Turtles overcoming. They will have to attack in a united effort because being within arms reach of Wolverine is potential death. You also have to remember their weapons and shells are useless against him. They will to defeat Wolverine in a flawless manner
As far as the Turtles weapons being over looked. I don't know that anyone was overlooking them. I was never arguing that Leo's Katanas or Raphs swords wouldn't be enough to stop Blade, infact without their weapons i don't think they have a chance. Their weapons may not mean dick against Wolverine or Caps shield but they're potentially enough to stop, Cap and Blade.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
So the turtles can break adamantium now? 😕
The turtles don't need to break his bones to pull out his limbs. They just tear/pull them off the joints. And last I checked, only Logan's bones were encased in adamantium, not his muscles and tendons.
Plus, Wolverine's claws were easily blocked by normal katanas in the last movie. The turtle's weapons should have no trouble blocking his claws.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The turtles don't need to break his bones to pull out his limbs. They just tear/pull them off the joints. And last I checked, only Logan's bones were encased in adamantium, not his muscles and tendons.Plus, Wolverine's claws were easily blocked by normal katanas in the last movie. The turtle's weapons should have no trouble blocking his claws.
Since there is no way to know for sure about the enhanced engineering of Wolverines bone structure I'm going to leave it as a moot point because it's just as easy for me to say that, yes, his joints are coated in Adamantium. Even still, going by Wolverines top film feat (the instantaneous cell regeneration during Dark Phoenixs' attack) should be more be than enough to suggest that it would take more than the Turtles strength to dismember him. Either way, since this is all objective to facts we don't have i think it should be left as irrelevant to this scenario.
As for the Katana argument, I think that's also a moot argument because we know that his claws are able to cut cleanly and easily through all earthly metals. I highly doubt Leo or Raphs weapons are made of adamantium or vibranium.
Considering, that Wolverines claws will cut through turtle shells and leos katanas as well as easily pierce turtle flesh this puts the turtles at a great disadvantage beacause it forces them to go on the offensive. It's not unlike pinning two gladiatorial combatants against one another and giving one a shield. The one with the shield has the luxury of choosing whether or not he first attacks or defends. Wolverines shield is his instantaneous healing factor. Hi healing factor and claws both render the Turtles weapons irrelevant so they are going to have to deal enough damage on one coordinated attack to knock him out. Now, consider that there are two other highly skilled and outfitted fighters on his team. This means that he may only be fighting one or two turtles at a time. Anyone that says Wolverine would lose to ANY of the turtles one on one is just delirious.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Let's be honest here, the Turtles don't have to get within Wolverine's range in order to hit him. and with their speed and skill Wolverine has almost no chance of getting close enough to land a lethal attack.
Ho do you figure? Wolverine has the abilities that allow him to force the turtles to make the first attack. Don't forget, this is all four Turtles against Wolverine. Wolverine has centuries of f experience in fighting and war fare. He is also extremely aware of the same type of fighting tactics that the turtles employ. Also, what do you mean by they don't have to get within his range to hit him? Do they have weapons or abilities im not aware of or are they just throwing stuff at him?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, why are we even isolating Wolverine here? The heavyhitters of team Marvel is Cap and Blade.
Cap...,maybe and that's a big maybe. Seriously. Wolverine has attributes and abilities that dwarf both Cap and Blade in every manner. I'm not saying that Blade and Cap might not be able to take Wolverine. I think Cap has a good chance but blade has none.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine fanboys.
Actually, no, i'm not a Wolverine fanboy, i'm just looking at each combatants abilities combined with their teammates. I actually think the Turtles could win here. However, i'm trying to keep a debate open and i actually honestly believe, Wolverine is the most valuable asset on his team. This is why i single him out. Unless someone else can argue that, then i demand that you retract your fanboy remark. Here, I'll help..., Cap's ONLY advantage here is his shield. He will eventually be separated from his sheld. Unlike the comics, he seems to miss his mark or miscalculate his throws all the time. Blade...,well blade can easily be decapitated by Leo without, WOLVERINES teamwork. Blades only saving grace here is his endurance and guns,
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Since there is no way to know for sure about the enhanced engineering of Wolverines bone structure I'm going to leave it as a moot point because it's just as easy for me to say that, yes, his joints are coated in Adamantium. Even still, going by Wolverines top film feat (the instantaneous cell regeneration during Dark Phoenixs' attack) should be more be than enough to suggest that it would take more than the Turtles strength to dismember him. Either way, since this is all objective to facts we don't have i think it should be left as irrelevant to this scenario.As for the Katana argument, I think that's also a moot argument because we know that his claws are able to cut cleanly and easily through all earthly metals. I highly doubt Leo or Raphs weapons are made of adamantium or vibranium.
Considering, that Wolverines claws will cut through turtle shells and leos katanas as well as easily pierce turtle flesh this puts the turtles at a great disadvantage beacause it forces them to go on the offensive. It's not unlike pinning two gladiatorial combatants against one another and giving one a shield. The one with the shield has the luxury of choosing whether or not he first attacks or defends. Wolverines shield is his instantaneous healing factor. Hi healing factor and claws both render the Turtles weapons irrelevant so they are going to have to deal enough damage on one coordinated attack to knock him out. Now, consider that there are two other highly skilled and outfitted fighters on his team. This means that he may only be fighting one or two turtles at a time. Anyone that says Wolverine would lose to ANY of the turtles one on one is just delirious.
Lol. Do you even know what a joint is? If his joints are coated with adamantium then he shouldn't be able to move. Period. His joints are not coated in adamantium, because what holds joints together is not bone. It's muscle and tendons. So him having adamantium bones will not stop him from getting dislocated joints or ripped off limbs.
As for the katana blocking his claws, how is this a moot point? It was specifically shown in the movies that it can block his claws. Yes adamantium is the hardest material there is, that doesn't mean that it will automatically cut throught katanas or other weapons made of steel. Steel is harder than wood and yet wooden staves are capable of blocking sword blows.
Bottom line is, katanas were able to block his claws. The turtle's weapons should be able to do the same.