Cyborg vs Spider-Man

Originally posted by Digi
As long as he has competent AoE, you're wrong.

I'll throw you a bone on the comparative durability debate you're having with marwash. If we take highest showings, both have tanked blows from characters well beyond their range. Vic's durability is clearly higher, and it would be problematic for Pete to put him down. But likely not impossible, though it would take time.

However, the AoE is the killer. It's been an Achilles of Spidey for years.

Read above. If anyone is getting off an attack first, trust me, it will not be Vic.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...when Spiderman gets serious, he damage people like Ironman, Firelord, Masterson Thor, Angrir, and Absorbing Man, all who is above Cyborg. Cyborg can not win a ft war against Parker.

stahp it. Cyborg tanked a bomb that was directly on his body. Spidey ain't hurting him.

Originally posted by carver9
Honestly, CIS helps Victor more than anything. A CIS LESS Spiderman would be blitzing the hell out of Victor before he had the chance to react. Victor doesn't have the speed to tag Spiderman or to get off an attack before Spiderman would.

lol. his brain is as fast as the watchtower computer (which can process a couple trillion calculations per second) and he can fly fast enough to keep up with Superman and Firestorm.

Spidey is not blitzing him, and even if he could, it wouldn't matter, because again, Spidey can't hurt Cyborg.

Originally posted by carver9
Webbing plays a huge role here and you already know why.

Originally posted by carver9
What showing are you talking about with the Parademon because if it's the one I think you are talking about, it isn't canon to the real Vic.

How was that not the real Vic?

Spiderman can definitely hurt Cyborg we can't just ignore all the impressive showings Pete has under his belt of hurting top level dudes. There are quite a few of them and they're canon. If Cap and Batman get all the shine they get around here for hurting and beating guys out of their classes why not Spidey?

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, this seems like the best assessment I've seen so far.

I don't know about "can't even hurt" - Pete has laid the lumber to some heavy hitters before - but the overall opinion is sound.

Cyborg wins.

Two counters:

Web cocoon

Web shield
If Vic's cocooned, it's over. Rogue was trapped by it, and Thing struggled to tear out half a cartridge of it.

I don't know how fast Vic's reflexes are in the Nu52, but Spidey could set up some insanely large web structures in an instant. Shields against explosions, webbing up the entire upper half of Matt's body (In the issue when he was in a Kingpin fat suit), and even quickly setting up an insane amount of webbing at the bottom of skyscrapers to catch people during AvsX..

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Spiderman can definitely hurt Cyborg we can't just ignore all the impressive showings Pete has under his belt of hurting top level dudes. There are quite a few of them and they're canon. If Cap and Batman get all the shine they get around here for hurting and beating guys out of their classes why not Spidey?

On the same hand what about Cyborg feats of tanking stuff above spidey?

What counts and what doesn't?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Spiderman can definitely hurt Cyborg we can't just ignore all the impressive showings Pete has under his belt of hurting top level dudes. There are quite a few of them and they're canon. If Cap and Batman get all the shine they get around here for hurting and beating guys out of their classes why not Spidey?

Batman often hurts people stronger than himself by utilizing nerve strikes and such, not by straight up punching them with force hard enough to actually hurt them. If you wanna make the case that Spider-Man can hurt Thor with a punch, i challenge to make that thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Read above. If anyone is getting off an attack first, trust me, it will not be Vic.

Ok, that's fine. But it's going to take a lot more than one attack to put Cyborg down. I'm with you in saying Pete can put him down. What I'm telling you is, a good AoE attack neutralizes Spidey's advantage. Then it's just a short walk to pain-town for Pete.

Originally posted by cdtm
Two counters:

Web cocoon

Web shield
If Vic's cocooned, it's over. Rogue was trapped by it, and Thing struggled to tear out half a cartridge of it.

I don't know how fast Vic's reflexes are in the Nu52, but Spidey could set up some insanely large web structures in an instant. Shields against explosions, webbing up the entire upper half of Matt's body (In the issue when he was in a Kingpin fat suit), and even quickly setting up an insane amount of webbing at the bottom of skyscrapers to catch people during AvsX..

Sure, ok, this helps. But it also falls squarely into the "I'm going to imagine what one person can do while the other stands around" camp of debate. Pete may have initiative, but he's not the Flash. This is more delaying tactic than a route to victory.

Pete has an excellent route to victory against mid-level bricks. But that's not all Cyborg is.

Spidey didn't beat Thing. And just because he successfully webbed up Rogue, doesn't mean I think he could beat her consistently.

But the strength of the webbing is pretty consistent, as is his speed/efficiency using it. Spidey himself was trapped in his own webbing, and had to wait for it to dissolve.

Originally posted by marwash22
okay, then go start a thread featuring Spiderman versus one of those guys you're talking about, and argue on the side Spiderman. I doubt you'll do it because those occasions are not indicative of Spider-Man's actual level of power, instead they're examples of PIS.

Batman often hurts people stronger than himself by utilizing nerve strikes and such, not by straight up punching them with force hard enough to actually hurt them. If you wanna make the case that Spider-Man can hurt Thor with a punch, i challenge to make that thread.

Hurt doesn't mean defeat. He has hurt plenty of these guys and defeated others, that's fact. Doesn't mean he's taking a majority over Thor, nobody said that.

Originally posted by Digi
Ok, that's fine. But it's going to take a lot more than one attack to put Cyborg down. I'm with you in saying Pete can put him down. What I'm telling you is, a good AoE attack neutralizes Spidey's advantage. Then it's just a short walk to pain-town for Pete.

Sure, ok, this helps. But it also falls squarely into the "I'm going to imagine what one person can do while the other stands around" camp of debate. Pete may have initiative, but he's not the Flash. This is more delaying tactic than a route to victory.

Pete has an excellent route to victory against mid-level bricks. But that's not all Cyborg is.

Again, I don't know how good Vic's reflexes are, though...

Spidey's no Flash, sure, but for all intents and purposes, he DOES straddle that line between speedster and bullet timer. You're either fast enough to stomp him, or slow enough where he can dance around you a good long while (Which, as you say, may only delay the inevitable..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Again, I don't know how good Vic's reflexes are, though...

Spidey's no Flash, sure, but for all intents and purposes, he DOES straddle that line between speedster and bullet timer. You're either fast enough to stomp him, or slow enough where he can dance around you a good long while (Which, as you say, may only delay the inevitable..)

Targeting computer + AoE. Sorry, but our boy's in trouble. I need to be really generous in my interpretation of the fight to lend any credence to your line of thinking here.

Also, I'll grant you he's in between bullet time and speedster. But it's not necessarily an equivalent gap.

Like a "GOML" area attack?

I'll give you he isn't dodging a wide area attack. More, I'm saying he could try gumming up his sonic blaster/webbing his gun arm, or cover the arena with web bunkers...

It's Vic's fight to lose, definitely. Iron Fist, who I back against Spidey, would be in trouble against a wide area sonic attack that could vape people..

Originally posted by cdtm
It's Vic's fight to lose, definitely.

Probably best to leave it with a 👆 to this. I don't have the stomach to fight against Spidey too hard, and anything beyond this sentence of yours will just be picking nits.

Originally posted by Digi
Targeting computer + AoE. Sorry, but our boy's in trouble. I need to be really generous in my interpretation of the fight to lend any credence to your line of thinking here.

Also, I'll grant you he's in between bullet time and speedster. But it's not necessarily an equivalent gap.

Ironman has the best computer system in the world and still have trouble hitting Peter. That isn't good enough.

Originally posted by SamZED
Not sure what weapons Cy normally has on him.

Have I taught you nothing?

Originally posted by Digi
Probably best to leave it with a 👆 to this. I don't have the stomach to fight against Spidey too hard, and anything beyond this sentence of yours will just be picking nits.

Originally posted by carver9
Ironman has the best computer system in the world and still have trouble hitting Peter. That isn't good enough.

You really want to make this comparison? Tony has half a dozen attacks that would floor Pete. Cyborg doesn't have that kind of versatility, but one good spread attack is plenty. Again, I would agree with you if all we were talking about were directional attacks.

Originally posted by marwash22
okay, then go start a thread featuring Spiderman versus one of those guys you're talking about, and argue on the side Spiderman. I doubt you'll do it because those occasions are not indicative of Spider-Man's actual level of power, instead they're examples of PIS.

Batman often hurts people stronger than himself by utilizing nerve strikes and such, not by straight up punching them with force hard enough to actually hurt them. If you wanna make the case that Spider-Man can hurt Thor with a punch, i challenge to make that thread.

That said, I'm not saying Pete wins, from what I heard here Vic should take it. Question is how much of a fight it's going to be. His white noise cannon.. how different it is from the old DC version?

I'm not saying high-end/low-end feats don't count, I'm saying the Thor feat is complete and utter nonsense and shouldn't be mentioned ever because Spider-man should in no way fathomable be able to so much as make Thor wince with a punch. The person who wrote that should never be allowed to use words again.

as for the white noise cannon, i don't know exactly what it's composition is, all i know is that it completely vaporized being who have higher durability than Spider-man.

Cyborg noise cannon or.... Or some kind of bright light to distract spider man the. Blast him to pieces