Originally posted by zopzop
DP easily.We've already seen a Jean with a sliver of the PF blow off Arishem's hand of Judgement forcing him and the rest of the Celestials to leave the planet they judged unworthy.
So you're saying a Phoenix Avatar is greater than the Celestial Host? I am interested as that stuff Sentry stated about dead Celestials returning to the White Hot Room indicates they may be avatars of the Phoenix Force themselves. I was reading Mr. Masters hierarchy what does this do to that?
Originally posted by Kamahamaha
I was reading Mr. Masters hierarchy what does this do to that?
That said, a Celestial wins.
A Celestial was once going to wipe out two Cube beings with a gesture.
Originally posted by Kamahamaha
So you're saying a Phoenix Avatar is greater than the Celestial Host? I am interested as that stuff Sentry stated about dead Celestials returning to the White Hot Room indicates they may be avatars of the Phoenix Force themselves. I was reading Mr. Masters hierarchy what does this do to that?
Dark phoenix has some of the best feats of any cosmic character. Time Travel, Soul Stealing, power to mentally travel across galaxies.
This is a being who eats stars! Galactus needs help to eat planets. Phoenix with her own raw power eats stars.
We also know for a fact by some sources of canon (retcons or different versions have been put out) that Phoenix itself is what created Galactus.
She also has the best feat of durability I ever seen. The Mkrann Crystal is a whole galaxy of neutron Stars that was stated to have such gravitational pull that the Marvel Universe(s) would get sucked into it should it get released in the Marvel Universe. DP not only flew into the middle of such crushing force of said Galaxy, but used her power to contain it enough to repair the crystal all together.
The portion of the Green Phoenix power is also shown on panel to beat a feeding Galactus. Green Phoenix is much weaker than Dark phoenix due to the fact Green phoenix holds back much power. Dark phoenix lets it all loose with no care.
We also seen in a alternate universe Dark Phoenix own a Celestial Host by forcing the host to leave a planet they judged unworthy.
We also seen Rachel with Phoenix force using the power of it to make even Beyonder (when he was all powerful still) utter a cry of shock when she mentally dumped a Universe of mental thoughts in his head.
Over all Phoenix Force is no joke. She can beat any single one Celestial pretty handily IMO.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Dark phoenix has some of the best feats of any cosmic character. Time Travel, Soul Stealing, power to mentally travel across galaxies.This is a being who eats stars! Galactus needs help to eat planets. Phoenix with her own raw power eats stars.
We also know for a fact by some sources of canon (retcons or different versions have been put out) that Phoenix itself is what created Galactus.
She also has the best feat of durability I ever seen. The Mkrann Crystal is a whole galaxy of neutron Stars that was stated to have such gravitational pull that the Marvel Universe(s) would get sucked into it should it get released in the Marvel Universe. DP not only flew into the middle of such crushing force of said Galaxy, but used her power to contain it enough to repair the crystal all together.
The portion of the Green Phoenix power is also shown on panel to beat a feeding Galactus. Green Phoenix is much weaker than Dark phoenix due to the fact Green phoenix holds back much power. Dark phoenix lets it all loose with no care.
We also seen in a alternate universe Dark Phoenix own a Celestial Host by forcing the host to leave a planet they judged unworthy.
We also seen Rachel with Phoenix force using the power of it to make even Beyonder (when he was all powerful still) utter a cry of shock when she mentally dumped a Universe of mental thoughts in his head.
Over all Phoenix Force is no joke. She can beat any single one Celestial pretty handily IMO.
going out of the thread, but didnt beyonder wanted to lose to rachel? and if not, show me the scans please
Originally posted by 8swords
going out of the thread, but didnt beyonder wanted to lose to rachel? and if not, show me the scans please
Whether he wanted her to try and beat him is not implied at all when I read it. He was daring her to change his mind and she did through her psychic powers.
Originally posted by CadenceV2So are you,saying Mr Masters hierarchy is wrong and he needs to revise it?
Dark phoenix has some of the best feats of any cosmic character. Time Travel, Soul Stealing, power to mentally travel across galaxies.This is a being who eats stars! Galactus needs help to eat planets. Phoenix with her own raw power eats stars.
We also know for a fact by some sources of canon (retcons or different versions have been put out) that Phoenix itself is what created Galactus.
She also has the best feat of durability I ever seen. The Mkrann Crystal is a whole galaxy of neutron Stars that was stated to have such gravitational pull that the Marvel Universe(s) would get sucked into it should it get released in the Marvel Universe. DP not only flew into the middle of such crushing force of said Galaxy, but used her power to contain it enough to repair the crystal all together.
The portion of the Green Phoenix power is also shown on panel to beat a feeding Galactus. Green Phoenix is much weaker than Dark phoenix due to the fact Green phoenix holds back much power. Dark phoenix lets it all loose with no care.
We also seen in a alternate universe Dark Phoenix own a Celestial Host by forcing the host to leave a planet they judged unworthy.
We also seen Rachel with Phoenix force using the power of it to make even Beyonder (when he was all powerful still) utter a cry of shock when she mentally dumped a Universe of mental thoughts in his head.
Over all Phoenix Force is no joke. She can beat any single one Celestial pretty handily IMO.