Originally posted by Trackz
Yea, compressed rubber isn't invulnerability on par with Luke cage. Or durable enough to prevent most piercing weapons from doing damage.
It’s not compressed rubber it’s like and was said he was invulnerable and nearly indestructible. If you go by the handbooks if I recall correctly in the OHOTMU Master edition they are listed having the same durability rating
If he’s bulletproof, which he is. Then yes he can take knives. Do you have examples where Puck was stabbed?
That's not how this works. I dont have evidence of Blade getting blown up by a nuke that doesnt mean he can take one. If we're allowed to just take everyone's powers to their logical extremes, regardless of feats, then Blade easily wins this.
Blade has bitten magically enhanced super soldiers that other characters with super strength were unable to pierce with needles. You need to show evidence of Puck resisting similar piercing damage, because logically compressed rubber is not enough to matter in this fight.
Originally posted by Trackz
That's not how this works. I dont have evidence of Blade getting blown up by a nuke that doesnt mean he can take one. If we're allowed to just take everyone's powers to their logical extremes, regardless of feats, then Blade easily wins this.Blade has bitten magically enhanced super soldiers that other characters with super strength were unable to pierce with needles. You need to show evidence of Puck resisting similar piercing damage, because logically compressed rubber is not enough to matter in this fight.
It does. We have statements saying he is resistant to punctures and there’s no evidence to contradict it. That doesn’t mean he can say yep knives work now. As mentioned he is invulnerable and nearly indestructible and is bullet proof
Also why is blade going to bite him again? That is not his go to. And he’s going to grab Puck easily how again? Eh? When blade can’t do much physical damage how does that not matter? Then factor in Pucks superhuman speed, strength, agility, 100 years of experience and his fighting skill your making it like blade can easily grab him and bite him which isn’t exactly in character for him either
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, looks like a 90s comic. Will post it when I can, I got it off a Russian website.
That likely was from the era where they reverted him back to just to his normal human stats.
The retcon was retconned and he’s back to superhuman
A few notes:
1. Blade has absolutely bitten enemies to take them down.
This is why I mentioned that the idea that people only think Puck loses because they don't read him is weird. In the past year Blade has bitten and drained Ghost Rider to take him down, and bitten a number of magically enhanced enemies to revert them to human form. In the past he's also bitten vampires.
He uses his bite when it gives him a strategic advantage (like in this case). Given the fact that he has bitten enemies that were pierce resistant and that Puck has been hit with tranquilizers before, there's more than reason to believe he would be bitten.
To your point that because he'd be bullet proof, he'd be stab proof. That's not true. There's a reason ballistic vests and stab-proof vests are different. Just because it can diffuse the kinetic energy of a bullet doesn't mean it could stand up to the consistent pressure of a stabbing weapon (or fangs)
2. Puck doesn't have hundreds of years of fighting experience. He was born a little over 100 years ago, but he didn't come out of the womb fighting. Like Blade, he has around 70-80 years.
So their fighting experience is the same, and Blade knows more martial artists styles and has beaten more skilled enemies in hand-to-hand combat (beaten several doom bots using hand-to-hand).
3. Puck doesn't have any feats that suggest he is as fast as Blade or as skilled as Blade. Blade is likely just as strong too based on comic feats. The most you could argue is that they're even, and then Blade would win given the fact that he actually has the ability to end the fight (vampire bite).
I’m going to keep it short
1. Sure he has but so often that will be his go to? No. Again how is he going to do that with Pucks superhuman speed, agility, durability, etc etc?
Depends on the vest as there are ones that do both. We have statements he is resistant to punctures so to say it’s a guarantee it will work is a stretch
2. Sure 80 years experience then. Blade was born 1929??? Puck 1914. Not saying that’s an advantage over blade but others were using it for blade. Earliest fest for Puck was when he was 8 he killed a big grizzly bear. But experience is a wash, sure
He knows more martial arts? Not sure how that matters as Recently pick owned Taskmaster fairly easily and he knows more then both. Puck has taken down Maulers gang who were iron man foes pre upgrade
Wolverine has said puck is the only one skilled enough to sneak up on him and is a peer to him in skill. He also recently had a stalemate with iron fist. He actually took a super charged iron fist hit that sent him through multiple walls and all he did was rub his head and was fine. In the same book iron fist ko’ed black tarantula with 2 of his normal kicks, but Puck tanked a fully charged iron fist
3. Well if your saying blade wins due to only the bite. Fair enough. We don’t have enough evidence to say for certain it does or doesn’t work
Originally posted by -K-M-
Sidenote: I am curious what is Blade’s best strength feat? For Puck it would be him doing the multiple reps of 6x “1K” of 1000 weight plates in Captain Marvel. Didn’t say if that was kg or lbs so the feat is in the range of 2.72 - 6 metric tons which makes sense as he was classified as class 10
Originally posted by -K-M-
Sidenote: I am curious what is Blade’s best strength feat? For Puck it would be him doing the multiple reps of 6x “1K” of 1000 weight plates in Captain Marvel. Didn’t say if that was kg or lbs so the feat is in the range of 2.72 - 6 metric tons which makes sense as he was classified as class 10
That’s one of my complaints of writers for Blade. I’m still waiting on some good ones. But I might go with him pressing the Reaper Demon over his head. The Reaper Demon is about the size of an elephant, maybe larger. Adult male Elephants weigh about 7 tons.
Then when he’s ambushed from behind and drops it. The demon breaks the ground beneath it, kind of provides an idea of how heavy it is. Blade also took several shots from the Reaper demon for durability feats. Here’s where he drops him. And then following that scan, an idea of his size compared to Blade.
1. It has been his go-to routinely when it has strategic advantage. So with enemies he can take down otherwise? No. But he hasn't shown any hesitancy to use it. He's bitten enemies twice in the past year as a part of the Avengers. Puck doesn't have feats that place his speed as faster than Blade's. Even then, realistically think about how easy it is to bite someone in the course of a fight. Puck would require an immense combat speed advantage for that to be difficult, and feats would suggest that Blade actually has the speed advantage.
We have statements he's resistent to punctures, but as noted, he's also been punctured by a tranquilizer. To your point, it was a tranquilizer that worked on other durable character, but it suggests that he doesn't posses the type of complete invulnerability that colossus and luke cage possess. Moreover the analogy of compressed rubber would allow him to be resistant to some bullets and knives, while not others.
2. The 1929 date is from a max series. Blade has stated on panel that he's over 100 years old and there's been panels of him fighting vampires during world war 2. Their experience is roughly the same.
3. Those are solid fighting feats. I think the main piece, is pucks other attributes seemed to overcome a skill deficit (like against taskmaster where he could use his strength and speed advantage). However he doesn't have an advantage in other attributes in this case. Best case scenario is that they're even in strength and speed, but I do think Blade has more strength and speed feats that make the physical aspect lean towards him. To do a quick run through, Blade has stalemated Wolverine twice, beaten Deadpool twice, and nearly killed an enemy that made short work of Daken. Those are some character I think they crossover with from time to time.
Re: the ironfist punch, I'd put Blade taking a blast that knocked Captain Britain out of the country on the level of Puck taking that Ironfist punch. There's also blade tanking a strike from mjolnir to the chest from Ghost Rider Thor.
3. Re: The bite, my main point is even if we assume that they're completely even in all physical attributes, Blade just has a couple of other super powers that give him an advantage.
Captain America is not the one to put anyone's life in danger --- he felt confident about Puck's invulnerability being at least comparable to that of She-Hulk and Diamond Lil, so he could act as a living shield for him and others:
What has Blade done with his dhampiric teeth, exactly? Aside from succeeding in biting cannon fodder?
Originally posted by TrackzYea that was from the Max series which I'm not even sure is canon anyways Blade first met Wolverine in the 1930's and was already an established vampire hunter by WW II. Blade has stated on panel in more recent times that he's over 100 years old in a issues published in 2007. Puck don't have an "experience" edge that's for sure.2. The 1929 date is from a max series. Blade has stated on panel that he's over 100 years old and there's been panels of him fighting vampires during world war 2. Their experience is roughly the same.
Blade has been killing vampires since he was like 9 years old.
Originally posted by TrackzI remember that. Daken sucks in more ways than one.and nearly killed an enemy that made short work of Daken. .
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Captain America is not the one to put anyone's life in danger --- he felt confident about Puck's invulnerability being at least comparable to that of She-Hulk and Diamond Lil, so he could act as a living shield for him and others:What has Blade done with his dhampiric teeth, exactly? Aside from succeeding in biting cannon fodder?
Did you skim? I'm not sure how this is relevant at all to what KM and I had discussed. I granted that Puck is bullet proof. But, as discussed, there is an upper-limit to his invulnerability as he has been pierced by stabbing objects.
Conversely, T'Challa sent in Blade explicitly to use his teeth to de-power enemies that could not be pierced otherwise by characters with super strengths.
Again, in that panel is she-hulk, and we know for a fact she isn't resistant to piercing damage and has been sliced open before.