Chronicles vs The Cullens

Originally posted by Placidity
"Nerd"? Do you know how hard you are projecting?

Clearly you didn't read my first comment in this thread. Now that I've pointed it out to you, you suddenly realize what an idiot you are, but its your style to go full retard (your natural and only defense mechanism) when you realize are clearly wrong.

Now you will keep repeating the same rubbish in your next posts over and over just so you can try to save face on an internet forum. Easily predictable.

You've spent over 110,000 posts on an internet forum arguing and have probably been an adversarial douche your whole life, hence you have no friends. You idolize whichever fictional character of the day that strikes your homosexual fancy. At 35 years old, you have the maturity of a 15 year old, and you probably know it ain't going to change. You are a no-life loser, accept it.

Sure, you'll come back with a few retarded comments. But by now you are aware that I know you are nothing.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, Andrew went all Neo on the police and SWAT team that tried shooting him. Matt was also able to react fast enough to throw up a shield in the split second he had, when Andrew smashed him with a bus. So their reaction times are pretty decent. There is also the example of them stopping the baseballs they were throwing at each other, but the bullet and bus feats seem more impressive to me.

Also, considering their shields can tank buses, getting flung through buildings, cratering concrete etc. even if the vamps manage to get a hit in before they go airborne, chances are that they won't put any of the Chronicle boys down.

When you pit 3 telekinetics of Chronicle-level against a team that has no counter for tk, it tends to go badly for the team.

If we go with the high-end feats for the Twi-vamps, they have a sprint speed between 200-600 MPH.

If we go with Edward's ridiculous running feat, it's 5,000-10,000 MPH.

I'm more comfortable with the 200-600 range. There seems to be more feats in that range.

I believe that at less than 50 feet, there becomes a "speed blitz" issue that may prevent this fight from occurring. Meaning, if the fighters start at less than 50 feet, the far faster vamps may be able to speed blitz. Their ability to run super-fast is instant: there appears to be no acceleration before they reach their top speed. Obviously, there has to be but it is not visibly observable from the movies.

So I'd like the Twivamp Camp to give me an example of a visual speed feat and the Chronicle Camp to give me an example of reaction speed and I'll do the math on both and come up with the distance at which the Chronicle people get speed blitzed. Let us ignore that Edward ran to Phoenix in the first film.

Originally posted by KingD19
And while they're working on uprooting that tree? They get TK ragdolled.

And I suppose the vamps are just gonna be swinging giant trees around like bats?

Alice sees the future flawlessly and Edward can read minds. They will both know what happens WAY in advance. Add on that Jasper can reduce a human to a drooling retard, and.......yeah.

Well, telekinesis is thought based, so unless the vamps can literally move faster than the speed of thought, they will still just run into tk shields. It really isn't even a situation of trying to react to the vampires' movement. The moment the fight starts they just think "tk shield", and that's that.

Pretty much every time one of the Chronicle boys were ready, their shield was up and active in an instant. It's really hard to gauge how fast they pull up an invisible barrier. Best examples are probably the bus hit and the bullets though.

During the end fight, Andrew makes his "apex predator" comment again, and then nails Matt with a bus. Matt literally had less than a full second between turning to face the bus and then getting hit. And he pulled up a shield in that moment.

The bullet one is a bit harder to gauge. Andrew doesn't do his normal shield. Basically they open fire, and in that instant he throws up his hands and blocks a continuous barrage of bullets. So not really sure how measure that one.

We really need more fleshed out details with regards to the fight if we want to make any kind of case for the vamps winning. As it stands, I stick by my stance that the Chronicle boys take it.

Like I said though, seeing as they know they will be entering a fight, throwing up tk shields won't be dependent on reacting to the Cullens. They will just think shield and they will be protected.

Can the Chronicles guys throw up a TK shield AND attack at the same time?

Yes. As long as they think of having the shield up, it's up. It's like a skin tight force field. When they were tossing each other through buildings and throwing buses their shields were up.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Can the Chronicles guys throw up a TK shield AND attack at the same time?

Well, I can't think of a specific example, off the top of my head, of them say throwing a car while holding a shield (though it is implied that their shields were up the whole time), but the fact that they can use their tk to zip around at high speeds, while holding their shields up and crashing through buildings, indicates that they can. It shows that they can lift and manipulate mass at high velocity while simultaneously protecting themselves. Andrew's tk in particular was quite beastly. Right before the massive PIS moment where he dies, he goes into full rage mode and basically causes a mini-earthquake in the immediate area. I really don't know why Carver thought this match was a good idea...

Edit: The scary thing about those 3 is that they didn't even have their powers for that long. Maybe a few months tops. At the rate they were developing, I genuinely think that they would have reached city buster levels if they had like another year or so to develop their abilities. Andrew was already showing signs of large area effects towards the end of the film.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Can the Chronicles guys throw up a TK shield AND attack at the same time?

As far as I know they had their TK shields up the entire time they were fighting each other.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Edit: The scary thing about those 3 is that they didn't even have their powers for that long. Maybe a few months tops. At the rate they were developing, I genuinely think that they would have reached city buster levels if they had like another year or so to develop their abilities. Andrew was already showing signs of large area effects towards the end of the film.

And Steve was more powerful than both of them. He would have been a beast in that final fight. Also Andrew was manipulating weather patterns so the extent of what they could theoretically evolve into is massive.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, I can't think of a specific example, off the top of my head, of them say throwing a car while holding a shield (though it is implied that their shields were up the whole time), but the fact that they can use their tk to zip around at high speeds, while holding their shields up and crashing through buildings, indicates that they can. It shows that they can lift and manipulate mass at high velocity while simultaneously protecting themselves. Andrew's tk in particular was quite beastly. Right before the massive PIS moment where he dies, he goes into full rage mode and basically causes a mini-earthquake in the immediate area. I really don't know why Carver thought this match was a good idea...

Edit: The scary thing about those 3 is that they didn't even have their powers for that long. Maybe a few months tops. At the rate they were developing, I genuinely think that they would have reached city buster levels if they had like another year or so to develop their abilities. Andrew was already showing signs of large area effects towards the end of the film.

It's a yes.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Steve was more powerful than both of them. He would have been a beast in that final fight. Also Andrew was manipulating weather patterns so the extent of what they could theoretically evolve into is massive.

Well, Steve seemed to potentially have the most brute strength, seeing as he was already tking things the size of cars and flying before the other two were. But Andrew had the most fine control, and was the most creative with his powers. Matt was the weakest of the three, yet he survives at the end. Go figure. It just goes to show though, he was the weakest, but his tk shield was still strong enough to tank a bus crushing him into the side of a building. That should tell you how powerful these three are.

Supposedly there is actually a sequal in the works. Not sure what they are going to do story-wise, considering only one of the original three is still alive. Maybe they will explore the weirdass object that actually gave the three their powers, its origins etc. more. I am actually pretty keen on a sequel to this film.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
So that's a no.

I really have no idea how you got "No" out of my post. Their flight is based off of them using their TK to lift and propel themselves at high speeds. And they did this while shielding themselves from things like cars, buses, getting thrown through buildings etc. If they can do it to themselves, they can do it to others as well. And then there is the fact that they did appear to have their shields up throughout the entire last fight, while they were flinging things about. I just can't say with utter 100% certainty, seeing as their TK is invisible. But either their shields were active the entire time they were fighting each other, or they can raise and drop them so fast that they might as well be active nonstop.

Originally posted by Placidity
"Nerd"? Do you know how hard you are projecting?

Clearly you didn't read my first comment in this thread. Now that I've pointed it out to you, you suddenly realize what an idiot you are, but its your style to go full retard (your natural and only defense mechanism) when you realize are clearly wrong.

Now you will keep repeating the same rubbish in your next posts over and over just so you can try to save face on an internet forum. Easily predictable.

You've spent over 110,000 posts on an internet forum arguing and have probably been an adversarial douche your whole life, hence you have no friends. You idolize whichever fictional character of the day that strikes your homosexual fancy. At 35 years old, you have the maturity of a 15 year old, and you probably know it ain't going to change. You are a no-life loser, accept it.

Sure, you'll come back with a few retarded comments. But by now you are aware that I know you are nothing.

Hey don't go disparaging fifteen year Olds

TK all day for the WIN.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, Steve seemed to potentially have the most brute strength, seeing as he was already tking things the size of cars and flying before the other two were. But Andrew had the most fine control, and was the most creative with his powers. Matt was the weakest of the three, yet he survives at the end. Go figure. It just goes to show though, he was the weakest, but his tk shield was still strong enough to tank a bus crushing him into the side of a building. That should tell you how powerful these three are.

Supposedly there is actually a sequal in the works. Not sure what they are going to do story-wise, considering only one of the original three is still alive. Maybe they will explore the weirdass object that actually gave the three their powers, its origins etc. more. I am actually pretty keen on a sequel to this film.

I really have no idea how you got "No" out of my post. Their flight is based off of them using their TK to lift and propel themselves at high speeds. And they did this while shielding themselves from things like cars, buses, getting thrown through buildings etc. If they can do it to themselves, they can do it to others as well. And then there is the fact that they did appear to have their shields up throughout the entire last fight, while they were flinging things about. I just can't say with utter 100% certainty, seeing as their TK is invisible. But either their shields were active the entire time they were fighting each other, or they can raise and drop them so fast that they might as well be active nonstop.

Moot, because before they take flight, the Chronicles team will be speed blitzed and torn to pieces.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
You do realize that Alice can see the future, yes? And that when she does, she'll grab whatever is near her and knock them out of the air, yes?

Seeing yourself being telekinetically ragdolled doesn't exactly help you much when you have no way to counter said tk. And they were dodging the cars they were flinging at each other while flying around. The only reason Matt got hit by that bus was because Andrew blindside-cheapshotted him while he was trying to calm Andrew down.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0

Moot, because before they take flight, the Chronicles team will be speed blitzed and torn to pieces.

The weakest of the 3's tk shield was strong enough to completely tank a city bus crushing him into the side of a large building. Andrew and Matt also crashed through other buildings, and at one stage crashed into the ground, cratering concrete. And neither of them were injured by it. So how exactly are they knocking these 3 out of the air, or tearing them apart?

Basically, for there to be a case of the vampires seriously hurting any of them, you'd have to prove that they can dish out significantly more damage than the following, seeing as the weakest of the 3 tanked this without any damage whatsoever:

Or otherwise, prove that the vampires are fast enough to blitz the 3 before they can literally think "shield", the moment the match starts.