Question for Buddhists

Oneness,

Where are you getting this obese Buddha from? Could you post a pic or link?

Originally posted by Robtard
Oneness,

Where are you getting this obese Buddha from? Could you post a pic or link?

Originally posted by Oneness
Why would robustness have become the symbolism for an enlightened man who’s achieved a mental state of perfection, as opposed to perfection of body?

The answer is because perfection of body is subjective, and our current cultural norms are not universal. As such a large or obese body can be considered the pinnacle of human shapeliness in other cultures.

Originally posted by Oneness
Tell me, do the majority of us recognize a fat Buddha, or a "skinny" Buddha?

Stupid westerners that haven't done the tiniest bit of research associate the image of Budai with Buddha and therefore recognize a "fat Buddha" (see previous link)

Originally posted by Bardock42
The answer is because perfection of body is subjective, and our current cultural norms are not universal. As such a large or obese body can be considered the pinnacle of human shapeliness in other cultures.

Stupid westerners that haven't done the tiniest bit of research associate the image of Budai with Buddha and therefore recognize a "fat Buddha" (see previous link)

Perfect answer! Time to close this thread. 😉

Originally posted by Oneness
Tell me, do the majority of us recognize a fat Buddha, or a "skinny" Buddha?

Most of the Buddha pics/sculptures I see are of the thin East Asian depiction. Likely due to my love of Thai food.

Anyhow, where are you getting your obese Buddha from? Post a pic or link?

Robtard, maybe he's so stone that he doesn't know.

He should probably just eat more Thai food.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The answer is because perfection of body is subjective, and our current cultural norms are not universal. As such a large or obese body can be considered the pinnacle of human shapeliness in

Perfection of body in the way Greek Spartans defined it as the standard for any soldier within their ranks. Both women and men can be fit and slim. Neither Buddha nor "Budai" have that image physical perfection which the Greeks always utilized when depicting their preeminent deities.

Anorexia is not the opposite of obesity.

The Spartans were also a culture that had their subjective ideas for what perfect bodies are. They are no more absolute than any other. Again you are asking why do some cultures have a different ideals for bodies, it's because it is subjective.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anorexia is not the opposite of obesity.

The Spartans were also a culture that had their subjective ideas for what perfect bodies are. They are no more absolute than any other.

They are, for the reasons I explained above. The apprehension of such physiques are more easily acquired by practicing moderation in diet, activity (rest versus exercise), and in distractions (sex and drugs).

Again you are asking why do some cultures have a different ideals for bodies, it's because it is subjective.

The Greek ideologies of that day and age are no longer prevalent anywhere outside of martial arts and athletic communities, and that's just in that aspect.

A more philosophically important aspect in which all cultures should adopt is the aspect of the idol, the ideal role model on a national, as opposed to an individualistic, level.

He/she has been warped, culturally, we strive for the wrong things. Most cultural idols of the modern world are lacking in moderation, discipline, collaboration, and creativity (breaking away from the standard to create one's own group or idea as opposed to exploiting other groups and ideas). A lack of these virtues are why America is going down-hill.

The idea of Greece superiority is really more based on eurocentrism and white supremacy than real objective superiority.

Martial Arts, coincidentally, seem to be extremely influenced by Asian philosophy.

At any rate, I don't think you have to worry that any dominant culture currently strives for obesity.

Originally posted by Oneness
Obesity and anorexia are the result of an imbalanced lifestyle; (poor sleeping patterns, eating terrible foods, using drugs, not getting ample amounts of activity from day to day). In fact, meditation in and of itself can aid in preventing addictions to drugs, sex, or food because it produces dopamine as well, but in a more natural, more healthy, and less destructive way.

Perfection of body in the way Greek Spartans defined it as the standard for any soldier within their ranks. Both women and men can be fit and slim. Neither Buddha nor "Budai" have that image physical perfection which the Greeks always utilized when depicting their preeminent deities.

Anorexia is a medical condition, an eating disorder and likely a mental disorder as well dealing with one's skewed self image. Obesity can also be caused by eating and mental disorders as not all obese people have a physical medical reason why they're obese.

You've been watching too many films. Spartans were not all these 6-pack carrying low body fat oiled guys running around in adult diapers. They were soldiers and trained rigorously for battle prowess, so while they were fit due to this, they didn't spend hours in the gym targeting certain muscle groups to body-sculpt.

Another example, Roman gladiators in films are often depicted as extremely muscular and/or ripped guys. This is far from reality.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spartans were not all these 6-pack carrying low body fat oiled guys running around in adult diapers. They were soldiers and trained rigorously for battle prowess, so while they were fit due to this, they didn't spend hours in the gym targeting certain muscle groups to body-sculpt.

Another good way of describing non-subjective definitions of superiority is looking at how systems were designed to operate. Was modern society designed to overcome scarcity of food and resources? Yes. Is modern society unable to obtain food and resources currently? No. And what you get is big businesses taking control of militaries and doing terrible, terrible things; destroying lives, damaging society's capacity as a whole, preventing systems from operating how they're supposed to, by creating social classes with unfair advantages over others, etc.

It's a growing cascade of imbalances, of evils.

Originally posted by Oneness
This makes it an even better example of objectivism. Being fit for the sake of survival. Yet there's more than just an increased survival rate to be benefitted from being fit or toned in any sense: You look better, you feel better, you are better in the most naturalistic sense.

Another good way of describing non-subjective definitions of superiority is looking at how systems were designed to operate. Was modern society designed to overcome scarcity of food and resources? Yes, is modern society unable to obtain food and resources currently? No. And what you get is big businesses taking control of militaries and doing terrible, terrible things; destroying lives, damaging society's capacity as a whole, preventing systems from operating how they're supposed to, by creating social classes with unfair advantages over others, etc.

It's a growing cascade of imbalances, of evils.

"Look better" is subjective. Not all that long ago in the USofA being heavy-set was seen as more attractive. "Most naturalistic sense", do you think humans are naturally these muscle-bound ripped beings? They're not. As far as "survival" goes, having a measure of body fat is more beneficial then being so lean you see the abdominal muscles.

I'm a proponent of being fit, eating well and working out, but what you try to pass off as "facts" is a bit odd.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Look better" is subjective. Not all that long ago in the US of A being heavy-set was seen as more attractive. "Most naturalistic sense", do you think humans are naturally these muscle-bound ripped beings? They're not. As far as "survival" goes, having a measure of body fat is more beneficial then being so lean you see the abdominal muscles.

I'm a proponent of being fit, eating well and working out, but what you try to pass off as "facts" is a bit odd.

Originally posted by Oneness
More often than not regular athletes have more appealing physiques than bodybuilders who just want lean muscles; as well as inactive twigs and lumps who have no regard for a healthy lifestyle.

"Regular athletes", which is what exactly?

Originally posted by Robtard
"Regular athletes", which is what exactly?

Mma works, covering ground and terrein obstacles faster (track and field) works, football soccer, swimming, rock climbing, ninja warrior competitors, to name a few, they all work.

I may actually make my first functional topic, a paper as to why and how naturalism could be used scientifically to develop a factual religion/ideological belief system that would not be fully completed until the end of time, just like the rest of the scientific fields. Of course it would imply measuring influence of, for all intents and purposes, a conscious element of the cosmos as oppossed to a mindless, systemic, and anomalous one.

Originally posted by Oneness
I may actually make my first functional topic, a paper as to why and how naturalism could be used scientifically to develop a factual religion/ideological belief system that would not be fully completed until the end of time, just like the rest of the scientific fields. Of course it would imply measuring influence of, for all intents and purposes, a conscious element of the cosmos as oppossed to a mindless, systemic, and anomalous one.

When are you going to write that first functional topic?

Originally posted by Oneness
Athletes trained for skills pertinent to survival in a natural setting as oppossed to just having the maximum amount of muscular size, definition, and symmetricality, for our purposes here.

Mma works, covering ground and terrein obstacles faster (track and field) works, football soccer, swimming, rock climbing, ninja warrior competitors, to name a few, they all work.

Not sure if any of what you listed would help anyone survive better than say an average healthy/fit person in a "natural setting", which I assume you mean to be as a wilderness setting.

ie not sure if being a greatly skilled fighter, runner, ball kicker/catcher, swimmer or climber will help you with the skills needed to build a fire, shelter, have knowledge of the local fauna for consumption and medical purposes or help you hunt for that matter.

Unless you intend to run an animal to the ground and beat it up with your fist?