Vitiate, Nihilus and Kreia run a gauntlet

Originally posted by Sinious
I think DE Sidious can manage to survive Nihilus' drain and overwhelm him with his force powers. No matter how inhumanized he became, he is still an individual sith. He still uses a lightsaber. By himself, he can be brought down. However, with Vitiate and Kreia supporting him, team of round 5 goes down.

Nihilus would devour Sidious in seconds as he would any other entity in the SW mythos, Nihilus doesn't perform Force Drain.

Nihilus as stated by the quote three posts above, devours an entities connection with the force as well as life and permanently severs them from the force and life itself. There is no activation time as the quote also states that is very presence and nature is what does this, and that he consumes it all simultaneously.

There is no counter to Nihilus Force/Life Sever ability, it can't be taught or learned.

Originally posted by Trocity
They'd shit on him 😉

Originally posted by Board Walker
Nihilus would devour Sidious in seconds as he would any other entity in the SW mythos, Nihilus doesn't perform Force Drain.

Nihilus as stated by the quote three posts above, devours an entities connection with the force as well as life and permanently severs them from the force and life itself. There is no activation time as the quote also states that is very presence and nature is what does this, and that he consumes it all simultaneously.

There is no counter to Nihilus Force/Life Sever ability, it can't be taught or learned.

Kreia isnt omniscient. What about the father of Mortis then? Do you think Nihilus could just drain him as well? I don't think it works that way.

Originally posted by Sinious
Kreia isnt omniscient. What about the father of Mortis then? Do you think Nihilus could just drain him as well? I don't think it works that way.

I don't know how it would work with the ones, I postulate that if the ones are composed of Force energy and or are extremely connected with the force it would effect them even more so.

The key component to understanding Nihilus is understanding that he does not perform "Force Drain", he severs an entity's connection to the force and life. Nihilus then feeds on the destruction as well as the death of those severed connections, and that is why there is no counter for it.

Nihilus outright devours the Force, and the essence of life there is no counter for this technique as it is not something that can be taught or learned.

Originally posted by Sinious
Kreia isnt omniscient.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I don't know how it would work with the ones, I postulate that if the ones are composed of Force energy and or are extremely connected with the force it would effect them even more so.

The key component to understanding Nihilus is understanding that he does not perform "Force Drain", he severs an entity's connection to the force and life. Nihilus then feeds on the destruction as well as the death of those severed connections, and that is why there is no counter for it.

Nihilus outright devours the Force, and the essence of life there is no counter for this technique as it is not something that can be taught or learned.

I understand your point. Yet I don't agree with you. It is not known whether Nihilus can insta-kill every force-user or not, whether someone can defend against it or not. This is still unknown to us. You enforcing your meaning in words won't change that. I personally think there are a couple force users in SW mythos that can survive and kill Nihilus in a fair combat.

By the way, apologies for mocking you before.

Originally posted by Sinious
I understand your point. Yet I don't agree with you. It is not known whether Nihilus can insta-kill every force-user or not, whether someone can defend against it or not. This is still unknown to us. You enforcing your meaning in words won't change that. I personally think there are a couple force users in SW mythos that can survive and kill Nihilus in a fair combat.

By the why, apologies for mocking you before.

Thank you for your respect, and for considering my point of view.

I agree with your stance on the topic as well, there really is no way to objectively measure Nihilus powers'. Thus my statements are entirely subjective, and are open for discussion.

Ultimately I agree with you that there is no way for certain knowing who Nihilus can instantly devour, and who he would be unable to instantly devour. For all we know there could exist a counter, and we just haven't seen someone it due to not being in a situation where they needed to use it (IE they have never faced Nihilus, thus never had to use the technique).

Originally posted by Board Walker
Thank you for your respect, and for considering my point of view.

I agree with your stance on the topic as well, there really is no way to objectively measure Nihilus powers'. Thus my statements are entirely subjective, and are open for discussion.

Ultimately I agree with you that there is no way for certain knowing who Nihilus can instantly devour, and who he would be unable to instantly devour. For all we know there could exist a counter, and we just haven't seen someone it due to not being in a situation where they needed to use it (IE they have never faced Nihilus, thus never had to use the technique).

Thanks. Another thing that bothers me is that Nihilus is a sith lord. Sith Emperor in SWTOR is the strongest sith that ever lived up to that point which includes Nihilus. I know this doesn't necessarily prove that surviving Nihilus' drain is possible but it gives a hint that he is not unstoppable.

Originally posted by Sinious
Thanks. Another thing that bothers me is that Nihilus is a sith lord. Sith Emperor in SWTOR is the strongest sith that ever lived up to that point which includes Nihilus. I know this doesn't necessarily prove that surviving Nihilus' drain is possible but it gives a hint that he is not unstoppable.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not sure if the other sith consider Nihilus a sith lord, but even if they do, the Emperor's power is not completely in two fields as Nihilus' is. He also doesn't need to be more powerful than him to defeat him. He just needs to take his power away,

He is "Darth" Nihilus of the "sith" triumvirate. He was the dark lord of sith in the known regions of the galaxy and still had relativity with the sith. He allied with them and saved them for the last as he only hunted jedi during KOTOR. I'd say he is a legit sith. Just less human.

which he can do.

I doubt it.

Originally posted by Sinious
He is "Darth" Nihilus of the "sith" triumvirate. He was the dark lord of sith in the known regions of the galaxy and still had relativity with the sith. He allied with them and saved them for the last as he only hunted jedi during KOTOR. I'd say he is a legit sith. Just less human.

I doubt it.

The point is moot since he's also noted as the most powerful "force user."

All that falls under hype, and Nihilus has comparable, if not greater hype.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/. Below is merely one quote from the thread:

"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The point is moot since he's also noted as the most powerful "force user."

I think it means within the republic history/amongst jedi-sith.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Even Traya doesn't consider her Sith actual Sith. Calling yourself a Sith lord doesn't make you a Sith Lord, which Plagueis and Sidious have both proved.

Based on? If Luke and Leia(and Anakin) can cut a literal nexus off from the Force, Nihilus should have no problem cutting Vitiate off from the Force.

I doubt that he was excluded in that quote though since he was officially a sith.

I don't see how that example proves anything.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All that falls under hype, and Nihilus has comparable, if not greater hype.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/. Below is merely one quote from the thread:

[B]"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith [/B]

You don't have to prove Nihilus' capabilities with his drain. I'm very well aware of it. This doesn't auto put him in the top of the hierarchy. Do you think he has a chance against the ones for instance?

Team 5 would beat them with extreme difficulty.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well firstly it would likely still work. The "defense" against that technique was simply to establish a link to the Force and replenish your reserves as they're being drained.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But getting hit by two drains at once, one of them as potent as Nihilus' will likely drain them faster than they can restore themselves.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Secondly no way is Dooku taking her down fast

Originally posted by Nephthys
and Anakin and Ulic are thoroughly outclassed by Vitiate and Nihilus. They get ragdolled, blasted by lightning or dominated with TP.

The nom team’s TK is greater, but on the other hand once distance is closed superior dueling skills FTW.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And thirdly it doesn't matter if Traya is outclassed since her and Nihilus Giga-Drain all the way to the finish line.

The nom team falls at #2

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All that falls under hype, and Nihilus has comparable, if not greater hype.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/. Below is merely one quote from the thread:

[B]"Nihilus powers grew so extreme that, for most beings, mere exposure to the Sith Lord would cause immediate and utterly mindless devotion."
--Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith [/B]

Caedus sh*t all over Traya in combat.

If the nom team somehow goes all the way to #5, they die.

Originally posted by Sinious

I doubt that he was excluded in that quote though since he was officially a sith.

I don't see how that example proves anything.

You don't have to prove Nihilus' capabilities with his drain. I'm very well aware of it. This doesn't auto put him in the top of the hierarchy. Do you think he has a chance against the ones for instance?

As of RotS Sidious is recognized as the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Plagueis is hailed as a close second, that >>> any Nihilus’s quote.

Caedus sh*t all over Traya in combat.
If the nom team somehow goes all the way to #5, they die.

How do they lose at two when Nihilus is capable of ripping fleets from Malachor V's shadow generator and empower them with his own energies and can absorb entire planets? Anakin could only withstand the drain from the Dark Reaper for a while, he wasn't 100% immune to it, same case would be with Dooku and Ulic. Nihilus is also capable of beating off Surik, who was a master of at least 4 forms of Saber combat. Caedus is said to be stronger than Vader and has shown to throw a frigate around and has a bunch of other force-powers that can undermine the team, like tepeortation. Traya I think is kinda a non-factor tho.

agreed. They're certainly not stopping at 2, lol.

Originally posted by The Merchant
How do they lose at two when Nihilus is capable of ripping fleets from Malachor V's shadow generator and empower them with his own energies and can absorb entire planets?

Absorbtion won't come into play, most likely.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Anakin could only withstand the drain from the Dark Reaper for a while, he wasn't 100% immune to it, same case would be with Dooku and Ulic.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nihilus is also capable of beating off Surik, who was a master of at least 4 forms of Saber combat.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Caedus is said to be stronger than Vader and has shown to throw a frigate around and has a bunch of other force-powers that can undermine the team, like tepeortation. Traya I think is kinda a non-factor tho.