Originally posted by Bentley
Well, it's not a fact because it can't be a fact given that the characters are from different companies. I guess we shouldn't discuss at all since there aren't any certainties! Let's all go home! 💃You get the gist, Thanos breaking easily through a fodder Green Lantern is as close as a fact as you can't get if we're talking about inter-company interactions. Do you agree with this?
I can't talk for Stoic, but my opinion isn't set in stone. And my opinion isn't fact either.
But it isn't as if people where bringing actual points to refute it 😕
So, yeah, like i said, agree to disagree.
Depends where they teleport him to, surely.
Two points, kinda related:
If you teleported me into the Sahara, with a car, just because I know how to drive, does not mean I'm getting out of there for sure. I still need to navigate out, have the fuel, the food etc. An example of this would be Nightcrawler. He is unable to teleport to/from somewhere unknown. So what if they ported Thanos to Apokolips, for example (ignore the destination, any other destination in DC would serve)?
2nd point. We saw that when they shunted Thanos into the Cancerverse, he did NOT teleport back. He needed the CC, and was trying to grab it off Quill. So can Thanos still teleport?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends where they teleport him to, surely.Two points, kinda related:
If you teleported me into the Sahara, with a car, just because I know how to drive, does not mean I'm getting out of there for sure. I still need to navigate out, have the fuel, the food etc. An example of this would be Nightcrawler. He is unable to teleport to/from somewhere unknown. So what if they ported Thanos to Apokolips, for example (ignore the destination, any other destination in DC would serve)?
2nd point. We saw that when they shunted Thanos into the Cancerverse, he did NOT teleport back. He needed the CC, and was trying to grab it off Quill. So can Thanos still teleport?
Originally posted by riv6672
I agree that Thanos has has the ability to break through a GL shield under optimum conditions.
Well, we're finally getting somewhere.
Originally posted by riv6672
Not having a name tag isnt an automatic "gimmee" no matter what Nigel Powers may think.
Rookie GLs are pretty low in the food chain, this has been proved by comics time and time again. Here the nameless GLs are even describen as fodder.
Even if the team managed to beat Thanos, half of those guys would get killed.
Originally posted by riv6672
Some of your points are misleading.
You say GLs have no speed feats.
These are space travelers. Speed is an inherent part of that.
A dozen well coordinated characters fast enough to bridge space distances in the attack, in a featureless environment? Huge advantage on their part, IMO.
I'd amount those advantages to mobility and not speed. When it comes to space traveling, Thanos has better teleporting abilities than the team. They don't really have that much of an edge when it comes to mobility given that Thanos is ruthless and pretty smart. Also, the team will care and support each other, Thanos is likely to use that weakness to predict how they will react.
I mentioned speed because a distinctive speed advantage such as Flash's or Superman's, it really muddles the results of how a battle would go. It heavily alters both attack and defense. Without such variables, the battle becomes more predictable.
Originally posted by riv6672
You say no one's brought up actual points.
DarkSaint posted a scan of someone who actually knows what a GL ring is and how it works not being able to do much at all, even while the villain stood there and watched.So, yeah, like i said, agree to disagree.
As I mentioned early, Thanos doesn't need to use the ring in order to beat the team. But if it was up to him and decided to steal it, his inmense will and psychic powers (enough to read the minds of one of his defeated opponents and quickly grasp how to use the tool?) would be a great asset to master the ring in no time.
Willpower on its own is nothing. There's a reason why Blue Lanterns supercharge a GL - you need some semblance of hope. Sinestro showed that a cynical will is next to useless - Arrow was completely drained from it, and it actually hurt him just to force that useless arrow out.
I mean, its not like you NEED to know how to use it. Kyle learnt, and he became one of the greatest GLs on his own. Just because you have willpower, and know how to use it (which, again, isn't all that hard - you just think green thoughts) does not automatically = a master user.
Originally posted by BentleyJohn oneshotted Mogo. Guy beat the crap out of Atrocitus.
Barring Hal, the team has no feats to claim they can dispose of someone as sturdy as Thanos quick enough, and unlike Surfer/Superman/etc. the Lanterns don't have any particular speed edge to brag about.Other than that... This is Hal + Fodder vs Thanos.
The thing about this team is it's a lot of guys with the same powers. And that power involves a lot of energy attacks that Thanos usually handles pretty well. And while they can travel at speed in space, as others have said they don't have the all-out DC level speedblitz speed that Supes, Flash, WW etc have, or the pure strength..
On average I would give Thanos the majority. But... if some of the Lanterns' better showings are taken into account, and they are really at the top of their game and using their more exotic powers they could possibly tip this their way. I think it would come down to what level Alan is at - he seems to be extremely powerful sometimes.
And BFR to another dimension is a possibility too.
Originally posted by riv6672
My opinions are just opinions, i try not to pass them off as facts.
I did say you had a good argument.
The sticking point here is you and Stoic are acting as if your opinion is set in stone which it isnt.Also, Sinestro looks positively Eeevil in that scan!
In my opinion. 😉
Dude. All I said was yep yep. LOL. Thanos was just hit by a COSMIC CUBE. None of these guys can hit with that amount of power. None. What did Thanos do? He just got back up. If any of these guys got hit multiple times by a Cosmic Cube, they would probably be turned into burger meat. Again all I said was yep yep.
Originally posted by Stoic
Dude. All I said was yep yep. LOL. Thanos was just hit by a COSMIC CUBE. None of these guys can hit with that amount of power. None. What did Thanos do? He just got back up. If any of these guys got hit multiple times by a Cosmic Cube, they would probably be turned into burger meat. Again all I said was yep yep.
John oneshotted Mogo. Not to mention, he has more willpower than the ring can handle.
Krona buster, anyone?
I'm still interested in how much juice that Cosmic Cube had. Is it certain that it healed itself and recharged itself, then?
Originally posted by Stoic
Dude. All I said was yep yep. LOL. Thanos was just hit by a COSMIC CUBE. None of these guys can hit with that amount of power. None. What did Thanos do? He just got back up. If any of these guys got hit multiple times by a Cosmic Cube, they would probably be turned into burger meat. Again all I said was yep yep.
I disagree. Thanos said that SL can't use it properly so it is very doubtful that those blasts were anywhere near the best a CC can unleash.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Willpower on its own is nothing. There's a reason why Blue Lanterns supercharge a GL - you need some semblance of hope.
Oh, then I concede, Thanos certainly cannot use it at all. I'd love to have more scans going into depth about this (to mess with PG about how Doom can't use a GL ring at all 👆 )
And regarding the Krona buster, that's why I say Hal + fodder. Hal has a proven record of achieving the impossible Superman style.
Originally posted by Bentley
Oh, then I concede, Thanos certainly cannot use it at all. I'd love to have more scans going into depth about this (to mess with PG about how Doom can't use a GL ring at all 👆 )And regarding the Krona buster, that's why I say Hal + fodder. Hal has a proven record of achieving the impossible Superman style.
Doom's will is not cynical. Doom's will is like that of a child - innocent and pure.
John is also able to do the impossible - no other Lantern actually overloads their ring with willpower.