Invincible, Omni Man, Thragg vs New 52 Superman, Supergirl

Started by Iskandar2 pages
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe It's comics science, so there are no consequences, except evolution and power increase in Supermans case. the only one ignoring evidence is you tbh.

What evidence am I ignoring? The stuff you posted didn't even happen to this particular Superman.

I could post material of Ultimate Marvel's Hulk but it wouldn't be canon to Earth 616's Hulk. The same with Thor.

On the contrary, Superman #13 showed that even without the sun he can benchpress the earthweight for 5 straigth days and just breaks one sweat. So we don't know how much longer he could keep on going and it surely doesn't tell us what happens if he stays in the sun for a long time, how powerful he will become. The only thing we know 100% is that the sun makes his more powerful the more he absorbs, or the closer he comes. There is no limit for now.

Yet Superman had to immediately go near the sun to restore his reserves afterwards?

Yes it is my opinion, but the evidence we have from his previous incarnations make my opinion more likely than yours.
So you are entitled to your own 😉.

There it is again "my opinion is more likely than yours." The tell-tale signs of this argument derailing the debate and neither side giving an inch. Whilst the main topic is not addressed and we don't move forward with it.

Anyway, I am guessing we reached a victor if no one is going to defend the viltrumites.

Originally posted by Iskandar
What evidence am I ignoring? The stuff you posted didn't even happen to this particular Superman.

I could post material of Ultimate Marvel's Hulk but it wouldn't be canon to Earth 616's Hulk. The same with Thor.

Yet Superman had to immediately go near the sun to restore his reserves afterwards?

There it is again "my opinion is more likely than yours." The tell-tale signs of this argument derailing the debate and neither side giving an inch. Whilst the main topic is not addressed and we don't move forward with it.

Anyway, I am guessing we reached a victor if no one is going to defend the viltrumites.

The evidence of Supermans portrayal through history.

This Superman came to exist in the other Supermans place, anyway, they share their powers, powersets and play the same part in the history of the DCU.

Sure, if he used up juice, he wanted to refresh it. This doesn't mean it was the limit of what he can absorb, on the contrary. We see in his Brainiac ship feat, that he can absorb even more if he wants to. Everything indicates that he can absorb more and no known limit is know.

So agree to disagree. As for this thread. Team 2. Superman > Supergirl and Superboy though. ^^

Just don't like it because it sounds a no-limit fallacy but yes agree to disagree. Also, I can see Supergirl being weaker but Superboy is definitely as powerful and probably more powerful after meeting Jon Kent.

Anyway, I guess we should be posting speed feats now since strength is done and since no one is posting anything for the viltrumites I will do so.

Invincible #75

http://i.imgur.com/dwgq9e7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jUyMJmL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t1jBoi4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p1LtWBk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsQ9dF8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/av9huXA.jpg

Invincible, Omni-Man, and Thaedus destroying the Viltrumite home world with some help from Space Racer's gun.

http://i.imgur.com/m21yXCL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZloX3jB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3VH4zL4.jpg

Grand Regent Thragg making short work of Thaedus afterwards.

As for speed, viltrumites can fly across the galaxy easily enough so FTL at least.

As for Superman he can fly from Pluto to Earth in time it takes Red Hood and friends to finish a conversation.

http://i.imgur.com/jC4iK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gUPvn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ylmAn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZAA8Y.jpg

Originally posted by Iskandar
Just don't like it because it sounds a no-limit fallacy but yes agree to disagree. Also, I can see Supergirl being weaker but Superboy is definitely as powerful and probably more powerful after meeting Jon Kent.

Anyway, I guess we should be posting speed feats now since strength is done and since no one is posting anything for the viltrumites I will do so.

Invincible #75

http://i.imgur.com/dwgq9e7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jUyMJmL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t1jBoi4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p1LtWBk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsQ9dF8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/av9huXA.jpg

Invincible, Omni-Man, and Thaedus destroying the Viltrumite home world with some help from Space Racer's gun.

http://i.imgur.com/m21yXCL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZloX3jB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3VH4zL4.jpg

Grand Regent Thragg making short work of Thaedus afterwards.

As for speed, viltrumites can fly across the galaxy easily enough so FTL at least.

As for Superman he can fly from Pluto to Earth in time it takes Red Hood and friends to finish a conversation.

http://i.imgur.com/jC4iK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gUPvn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ylmAn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZAA8Y.jpg

Very good. You also have Omni Man beating Supreme. Supreme in turn in a canon crossover to his comics stalemated marvel comics Gladiator.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/omni-man-and-supreme-vs-new-52-superman-1585144/

Post #2 click the spoilers.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Very good. You also have Omni Man beating Supreme. Supreme in turn in a canon crossover to his comics stalemated marvel comics Gladiator.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/omni-man-and-supreme-vs-new-52-superman-1585144/

Post #2 click the spoilers.

Damn that looks pretty hardcore. How powerful is Supreme now by the way?

Originally posted by Iskandar
Damn that looks pretty hardcore. How powerful is Supreme now by the way?

From what I seen, he is roughly Superman level, with various energy attacks, intangibility, dimension resistance weirdness, FTL reaction time, and can easily withstand Black Holes.

Originally posted by Iskandar
Not really?

Superman is still absorbing all that energy so unless Superman manages to magically ignore the implications of what it means to contain all of that power in his body it would also be a feat of durability.

Yes, it would make the feat slightly less impressive but that power isn't going anywhere but inside of him.

I understand what you're trying to say but energy absorption also has its limits. The Absorbing Man for instance can't absorb all of the Sentry's power because he is inherently not tough enough to contain all of it. Just for example.


Flawed example. The Absorbing Man was tough enough to absorb nearly all the energy in Asgard and become powerful enough to pose a threat to Odin himself. Not to mention that the very same version of Absorbing Man has absorbed the power of a fragment of a cosmic cube; an artifact which is well beyond the capability of a stable-minded Sentry's(which is him at his max according to the handbook entries not to mention his most ardent fans) to contain longer than a few moments. Power which was sufficient for Creel to treat the Sentry like a puppet and split him into his 2 personas.

Edit: You're also ignoring the fact that Earth's Sun augments Superman's kryptonian powerset in its totality. And last I checked, his kryptonian powerset consisted of superhuman durability. Think of it like an anti-catch22 situation; the more power Superman absorbs, the tougher he gets; the tougher he gets the greater his potential to absorb even more power becomes.